Monday, October 22, 2012

Stormfront Poll Indicates White Racialists Have More Issues Against Race Traitors Than Non-Whites

The antiracist cartel continues to spew the popular misconception that White racialists literally thirst for non-White blood. Both the SPLC and the ADL regal us with lurid tales about how we secretly want to gas all the Jews and tie all the blacks to the back of pickup trucks, using the worst examples of dysfunctional white hooligans to try to typecast the entire White racialist community.

But a Stormfront poll currently in progress indicates a completely different story. The poll currently shows that, by an overwhelming margin. White racialists have many more issues with "race traitors" than with non-Whites. Here's a screenshot as of October 22nd:

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Of course, this triggered a debate about the definition of "race traitor". Oliver1986 put forth this definition: "A race traitor is someone who puts personal interest before the race. They have no loyalty or self respect. They are the weak part of our race that nature will kill off". This seems like a good conceptual starting point. Another poster, Phoenix, sees an advantage to this poll: "The results of this poll will be useful when responding to our opponents in the open forums. They are constantly going on about how we are 'racists' and 'haters'. Now I'll be able to link them to this poll and show them that we do NOT hate other races". Non-whites, even the much-derided "Jew", are viewed primarily as acting in their own racial interests.

Some people in comments to various posts on this blog have proposed other examples. Some insist NSM Commander Jeff Schoep is a race traitor because he married a woman who proved to be non-White, even though she concealed her Arab identity from him. Others suggest Hal Turner is a race traitor because he proved to be a Federal informant. Still others suggest former NSM "Presidential candidate" Brian Holland is a race traitor because he proved to be a snitch, although he has not turned anti-racist.

But all of these variables actually cast too wide of a net and muddy up the definition. A traitor is someone who publicly turns against a cause and publicly advocates for the new cause. Consequently, for a White to be considered a race traitor, the person must meet all three of the following criteria.

(1). Have a public record of pro-White activism.
(2). Publicly renounce the pro-White cause.
(3). Publicly campaign against White racialism.

Neither Jeff Schoep nor Hal Turner meet all three of those criteria; consequently, although their actions may have been unhelpful at best and disingenuous at worst, it would be imprecise to characterize them as race traitors. Hal Turner has NOT become anti-racist. Here are the names of those who I suggest better meet all three of the criteria:

(1). Johnny Lee Clary: Former racialist who turned against White nationalism and publicly started campaigning against it. Even suggested that April Gaede should have her kids taken away from her by the government simply because of her politics. Spends considerable time in Australia now, although his advertised home port is Baton Rouge, LA.

(2). T.J. Leyden: Another skinhead who turned against White nationalism and started a public anti-racist campaign. A resident of Utah who makes a comfortable living lecturing on the anti-racist circuit in the United States.

(3). Joe Bednarsky: A former Klansman who renounced racism and launched a public anti-racism campaign, using Jesus as his new crutch. Bednarsky now calls himself a "chaplain".

(4). Floyd Cochran: Turned anti-racist when the Aryan Nations allegedly told him he should have aborted his retarded kid Corky. Joined Nicole Nichols' Citizens Against Hate and launched a public anti-racist campaign for a while, but appears to be currently inactive.

(5). Michael Burks: Once a member of the American National Socialist Workers Party (ANSWP), turned against Bill White and allegedly gave a statement against him, although Burks denies becoming an informant. Started a website called Jewish and Christian Holy Alliance, but not a particularly active anti-racist at present. One of the most hated posters in the history of the Vanguard News Network Forum.

(6). Tom Martinez: A member of the Order who turned government witness to save his own hide. Became a public anti-racist; debated Tom Metzger publicly at one time. Makes a comfortable living on the anti-racist circuit.

We need to be precise about defining our terms so as to effectively counter the efforts by our adversaries to define us. We also need to use practical and attainable definitions. The same rule applies to labeling someone a "Jew". For example, many people in Christian Identity still insist that Pastor Eli James is a Jew despite his own repeated denials. As a matter of fact, Pastor James is so tired of being called a Jew that he's threatening to sue Skip Baker over his accusations. RD Bradshaw suggests that, because Eli James is a pastor, the burden of proof should be upon him to prove he's not a Jew rather than upon his accusers to prove that he is a Jew. However, I still prefer the Alex Linder Rule: If you're going to call someone a Jew, back it up -- with objective evidence.

The same rule should apply to the term "race traitor".

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

While I admire your always being "fair" for the lack of a better word A.A. sleeping with a nonwhite is treason. All it takes is a few questions asked to a perspective mate to find out their background, heritage, etc. Especially if a kids in the picture and said person doesnt quite look white. If one goes by the standard David Lane set do they look white, act white, and think white? Obviously a one night stand may be easy to "slip by" but a relationship over years how can a person not know. Truthfully some supposed racialists just put a piece of tail or not wanting to be alone before ideals. Ian 88

Anonymous said...

If you're going to call someone a Jew or anything else you need to back it up. This includes all 3 examples you have in your blog.
There is public paper showing that Hal Turner is a snitch as well as Brian Holland. But all we have for Jeff Schoep is his jaded x wifes rambling mouth & a few of his haters backing her up such as SPLC, OPP & of course Rocky & Taylor. Enough said.

Anonymous said...

Seriously, WTF! Listing Jeff Schoep alongside of known federal informants like Holland and Turner. Are you mentally ill? The only idiots who claim he is some sort of traitor are the jealous weasels in the anp, most of whom are pro-gay, single, and could not get a woman if their lives depended on it. Schoep has done more for the cause in one year than Rocky has done his whole supposed career in WN. It is only on this blog that these creatures from the anp are tolerated. Here and no where else. Schoep's history on the Movement is well documented going back decades. The weirdo obsession over him from the handfull of members of the so-called anp is really strange. What man worries about another man so much, other than 2 boyfriends slap fighting each other in the gay bar? Think about it! The anp has been so ineffective that they are relegated to the far corners of the internet slandering other white groups. From the NSM to the Skinhead Movement, to David Duke, to Taylor Bowles cheering on the death of AWB Leader Terre Blanche. Its been said before and said again that the anp are not even part of the Movement, they are anti's pure and simple. If we are to speak of traitors lets speak of Taylor burning down the NS HQ in Baltimore which he did time for, or Rocky being banned from all MI. events at Bob Miles farm, and everywhere else. The traitors are the anp, and they run amok on this forum since they are not allowed anywhere else. Nuff said

Anonymous said...

Rocky has been married longer then most people posting on here have been alive. Schoeps race traiting is validated public knowledge, only the handful of NSM members left stick their heads in the sand about it. What has schoep done for the movement besides himself and his group being at the center of every vile incidence that occurs. Per usual any and all claims against the ANP go unfounded in the meantime. Schoep and the NSM are a blight on the WN community and I for one am thankful they're finally imploding.

Anonymous said...

These Schoep supporters/apologists are just ridiculous. He had an ARAB partner, who had a MULATTO kid from a previous relatonship. So "Mr. Nazi Leader" had a HALF BLACK stepdaughter. Sounds like some sick "TV Sitcom." Even if you Schoep supporters claim Jeff "didnt know" his wife was half Arab, he still certainly knew about the mongrel step-daughter. HOW could any White man, especially an "NS Leader" marry some race-mixing slut? Even worse, Schoep ABANDONED his White wife and children for this trash.

"Schoep has done more for the cause in his career than Rocky had done in his whole life." Really? LIKE WHAT? What has good has Schoep done?
Lots of "publicity stunt" "Street theater" actions, that just refeinforcr that "Hollywood nutzi" stereotype that the jews love to promote. Next up the "Kommnader" is appearing on some nigger "comedy show" a lot of good that'll do!

He has a criminal background, and was (is?) apparently on ZOG "disability" for years. Why? What kept him from holding down a real JOB?
Then you have the his NSM gang full of all kinds of unsavory characters. This blog has done a fine job of documenting the SICKOS in the NSM and the crimes they committed.
Finally, we have seen that the NSM is merely part of Schoeps "company" Tyr productions. He's just doing the profiteering that SO MANY others have in this movement over the years.

What is this about Rocky being banned from events at Bob Miles farm? Sounds like more bs.

Chaplain Bill said...

I agree that race traitors are the worst, I used to have two race traitor sisters (adopted, no blood relation) whom I disowned in 96. not only have I had no contact weith them since I told the rest of the family that they had to choose between them and me and since I was their blood and they all wanted to be rid of the adopted race traitors they all sided with me. Tthat is how I purified my family the way a true whire man should.

Anonymous said...

AM I A RACE-TRAITOR? Lets review MY LIFE. I am a self-confessed convicted felon, for burglarizing a fellow White person. ( first time I was ever caught ) I have NEVER held a serious JOB my entire lifetime, I have received a check from ZOG for years for "mental disability" tho, and my family(s) had to survive on Welfare, because I wouldn't work. I have had at least three marriages in my lifetime, two of the "common-law" variety, which produced 6-7 children, but I support none of them. In fact, I abandoned each wife and family to enact adultery with the next. ( no, I don't see any pattern there ) Finally I wound up marrying a Non-White woman of ARAB ancestry who had a BLACK daughter from her previous marriage to a negro. I lived with her for almost four years, until I found a new woman on the internet who I could commit adultery with, and currently I'm with her. All this time I've been the leader of a RACIST organization, preaching the 14Words and family values and RACIAL PURITY. When the facts about my marriage to a mud arose, YEARS ago - I cleverly LIED and DENIED it. Finally my arab wife had enough of my current adultery and when she divorced me ( yes, I had actually married the mud this time like a fool ), she let all of the PROOF out - senting pics, info on my organization and in fact my entire mailing list to my enemies. During my tenure as a hollywood nazi leader, I welcomed such elements as SATANISTS (the man I appointed Chairman was a Joy of Satan cultist, using a NSM PO Box for his cult mail ) into my organization. Over the years, many degenerates joined and I appointed them to high positions within the NSM too. We even had a Federal Agent run as our "presidential" candidate! My personal income is brought in from monies received, sent in by gullible White people whom I've lied to about my RACE-MIXING for years. I'm sure that IF they had known the TRUTH, I wouldn't have received a dime. These are only a FEW aspects of my so-called "ARYAN" lifestyle. Do you think ADOLF HITLER would have approved of me? Would any decent White person? Now I'm SORRY - SORRY that it all had to COME OUT! Won't you forgive me, and TRUST ME? After all, once in a while I put on a dog&pony show for all of you. I'm one of the very few who still do that you know. Com'on, wouldn't you want your DAUGHTER to marry someone like ME, who's bedded with a NON-WHITE for YEARS? Guys, she FOOLED me! Never ONCE in all those FOUR YEARS of marriage to her, did I once ever see that BLACK ABOMINATION of hers! Forget those photo's. Can't you see that I'm just a naive, old school kind of guy, who's ONLY fault is that I TRUST others too much? Now - AM I REALLY A RACE-TRAITOR? I am THE KOMMANDER!

Anonymous said...

Jeff Schoep made a decision to marry an arab woman who HAD a black child. I seriously doubt that she was able to keep that from him for over four years, when Schoeps enemies, among them former NSM members, made it so public. So, what did he "DO" - he LIED. He even lied to you AA, I saw his statement here on WR years ago. Oddly, Glenn Miller too was married to a non-White, I believe she was vietcong. Miller turned out bad, and so has Schoep. Both have disgraced themselves as leadership figures, and are cast out by the vast majority of the White community. Nine-tenths of the things stated against Jeff Schoep MIGHT be overlooked as simply bad character. RACE-MIXING cannot be one of them! What "if" Joanna had gotten PREGNANT by Schoep over those fours? Thats where we must draw the line. ZERO TOLERANCE for sexual RACIAL-MIXING.

Anonymous said...

I was never banned from Bob's farm. In fact I still have a letter from Bob, when Dottie died, and an autographed book of his. I have pictures of him and I attending together, Pastor Butlers fest, where I met many of the Order Comrades. I also attended his "memorial wake" at the farm when he died, I met Tom Metzger there for the first time. A liar can pull anything out of the air, ala the JEWISH BIG LIE - hoping some of it will stick. I still have the "certificate" Bob gave me as a representative of the Mountain Church, with the gold-seal et al. Try again moron... ROCK 88!

Anonymous said...

Again I asked for you gossip queens to back up Jeff's x wife's accusations with objective evidence & surprise I still only see rambling. You guys are a bunch of clowns.

Sadie said...

I love the BLOG pof John Taylor Bowles. as soon as I get home from work I get tuned to it. I believe he is a great NS leader and better than Schoep any day.

Anonymous said...

Stick with going after Scheop, Rocky. That is one hell of a lot easier than going after the enemy. You don want to end up like Bill White, do you? Activism is best talked about, not carries out. All you should have to do is write long barely coherent rants in public and receive money. Oh, you might urge your van load of supporters to go toss fliers in people's yards advertising how they too can be an American Nazi regardless of race, color, creed or sexual orientation.

But really organizing and mobilizing? Stay away from that! That could be dangerous and whites have survived for thousands of years by strictly avoiding danger, just like the ANP. It is better to hide in the catacombs and beg for money than to come out and see the light of day. Our enemies love that too! Jews, the bad Jews you rarely mention, love it when their enemies cower in fear behind closed doors. They and the rest of the world know that movements like that never last long. But then again, it isn't meant to last long, is it? That is why you've appealed to the enemy for sheckles at this late date in your presence on the scene! You aren't so dumb after all! You know you've only got another 4 or 5 years in this thing so who cares? Cash in now! Let this little spineless rejects supplement your retirement. Heck, Bowles did the same thing and it almost worked out! All the washouts and too-Jewish-for-NS you have around you are only good for putting money I your pocket. And judging from some of your rants, they aren't even good for that all the time!

So stick with bashing people who are in your safety zone, tough guy. You know the Feds aren't going to let Schoep harm a white hair on your head or a single horse hair on Taylor's wig.

Johnathan Porter, Submarine resident.

Anonymous said...

Just google jeff schoep and it comes up race mixer, even the mass of sheeple know it. He has no interest in the 14 words or what they represent. Its all a business to him, nothing more.

Anonymous said...

Its not "only" that Jeff Schoep married an arab and was her husband for four years AA, but that she had been previously married to a black and that she had a black daughter. Now THAT is why Schoep should be classified as a RACE MIXER. We have seen the pictures where Jeff and Amber the little negress were together at her birthday party in the park, the same girl in the photo's on Joanna's Face-Book page. To try and claim that Jeff wasn't aware of her is a bit too bizarre.

Anonymous said...

Here we go again, some idiot trying to deflect attention from degenerates like Jeff Shoep, by trying to smear Chairman Suhayda who is obviously one of the better and longest fighters this Movement has yet seen. 2:33PM you seem to believe that unless someone is still doing the same useless activities of years gone by, they aren't active? Boy you have a very limited range of activism in my book! Your the type that never gives up butting his head at a stone wall, rather than observing that you might go over, under or around it. You can criticize Rocky and the ANP over silly nonsense, but none of us ever see any of the drama that goes on within the NSM. No race mixing, no murders, so outing of Zog agents, no satanist scandals, no sex perverts... Do you really believe that the jews FEAR the NSM? Heck, they LOVE the silly antics of hollywierd nutzi's , they ought to pay you guys for reenforcing the image that the jews try to build of the typical NS/WN. Why else do you think that they are always giving NSM the Big-Bigot-Buildup, over all the activities of any other NS/WN organization? NSM and its pathetic road-shows aren't "news" anymore, that crap has been done for decades now, thousands of times, unlike Commander Rockwells day, when it WAS "news". No, they flaunt such asinine antics because its makes THEM look good, and WN look wierd, weak and pitiful. As for your threatening Chairman Suhayda, he thinks your all a bad joke, only a threat to yourselves and those who might out of ignorance, associate with you. Grow up and at least try to act like a mature adult, try really hard! Robert E. Brown 88!

Anonymous said...

If you google Jeff Schoep a bunch of home made blogs by the anp and antis pop up. So this means he is a race mixer? Please! Blogs are not evidence. The same people that are spamming up this blog site are the same ones creating false blogs on Jeff Schoep. If you haters put nearly as much effort into the scene maybe you all would be relevant and respected people in the movement. But you have all gone to far and spent way too much time for that to ever happen now. So you all have given up and resorted to throwing negative attention on anyone and everyone. Yeah White Power too you guys too!

Anonymous said...

Does anybody believe that Jeff Schoep WASN'T married for four years to an ARAB who has a BLACK daughter? Hell, there are PICTURES of them. Jeff himself ADMITTED it, right here on this blog in his published statement! 1:56pm you need a reality check. Its one thing to be loyal, its another to deny the facts.

Anonymous said...

If one is in a WN leadership position, you should be setting the example to your followers on how to act, and what is a proper White/Aryan lifestyle. Jeff Schoep flunks the litmus test badly and not just for his race mixing behavior. His entire lifestyle, if you do the research is certainly not that of a National Socialist of any kind, rather it is more of the old school nigger ghetto fashion. He is the wrong person to instruct white people on honorable, Aryan behavior. You couldn't even enlist into the SS with a felony criminal background, I'm sure being a satanist, adulterer, and unemployable on SSD would also exclude him. Yet, he has the chutzpah to wear a fake SS uniform!

Anonymous said...

There are no pictures that some of you keep speaking of. I looked them up myself and they are two downsized mini pics of a picnin that do not show what the same people who posted them insists. Don't you think if Jeff really lived with a non white there would be pics for his jaded x wife to exploit the hell out of. Yet there isn't. There is also no family tree paper work that this now supposed proud arab american will show. If she stole NSM's mailing list I'm sure she stole plenty of other stuff as well. But all she has to show for her accusations are two downsized pics of nothing. I did read Jeff Schoep's blog on this and no he does not admit anything other then he was married to a women who held a lot of secrets from him. Did he tell of all of them. Nope. Just htat he had found out she was hiding a negro daughter of hers. I will give the benefit of the doubt but no one can provide me with any evidence yet even though I have asked every time I hear the accusation. I get the same response: Just google it or that it's public knowledge. That's supposed to be evidence? Again, I ask for proof. If you don't have it then shut the hell up once and for all. Stop spamming this blog up with gossip!

Anonymous said...

There are NO PICTURES! There are NO FACTS! Why do you believe some greasy fat ARAB like Joanna, instead of her studly, handsome, and oh so INTELLIGENT ex-hubby Jeffry? Has the Kommander EVER LIED in his lifetime? So Jeff kinda lied about Cliff Herrington and his JOY of SATAN cult. So Jeff kinda lied about STEALING the NUKE ISRAEL website from Jim Ramsey. So Jeff...LISTEN UP! "Kinda lied" is NOT like an OUTRIGHT LIE! When it comes out of the Kommanders mouth, well he talks different from everybody else. He's so highly INTELLIGENT that most people can't grasp just what it is that he's articulating. Its KINDA LIKE when Jeff was telling us for years that his "Germanic Babe" or whatever she called herself back then, WASN'T a MUD - even though Ramsey and others were placing ALL KINDS of EVIDENCE on the web - from marriage licences to her ex-BLACK hubby Raymond Smith, pictures of herself AND Amber on trips, at home etc on her Facebook page, The Kommander was TOO BUSY to notice all these red-herrings to check them out! I seriously doubt that Joanna EVER had her DAUGHTER Amber over to visit her even tho she was her loving mom, where she and Jeff lived. Why, in those pics of the birthday in the park, I'm SURE that Jeff just thought it was some little niglet who had wandered over to eat free food and was giving out HUGS and KISSES because she was being FRIENDLY! What KIND of STEPDAD do you think Jeff IS? That he'd IGNORE his own WIFES' CHILD? That he's be MEAN and CRUEL to her? Jeff's a REALLY SWEET GUY! I can picture him with Amber on his lap, trying to read the Lion King or something to her, while Joanna made chittlins & greens in the kitchen. And don't forget how LOYAL Jeff IS - LOYALTY IS HIS HONOR! This crapola about him dumping wives and families is NOT the SAME as his LOYALTY to HIMSELF, er I mean the NSM. Jeff simply believes that its his DUTY as a HIGHER Aryan Warrior, to SPREAD HIS SEED over as many WOMEN as possible! Its NOT adultery! Its his DUTY! Jeff ALREADY has SEVEN known offspring to help mass produce the Master Race, possibly MORE! Pretty damn good, eh? What, he doesn't $UPPORT them? Hell, THATS not HIS job. His job is to MAKE more and more white warriors just LIKE HIMSELF! Soon America will abound with Junior Jeff Kommanders, running around all over the place, like that movie, Boys from Brazil that impressed the Kommander so strongly when he was young, to launch his repopulation effort. Do you think that he does all this for some kind of sick FUN? Why do you think that Jeff always SO TIRED and can't HOLD a JOB? He's completely worn out from his repopulation of America with little Kommander wanna-be's for OUR FUTURE! I totally TRUST KOMMANDER SCHOEP! His life is one that will be as a SHINING EXAMPLE for ALL FUTURE white men to want to TRY to EMULATE! Hail the MIGHTY KOMMANDER JEFF! HAIL, HAIL, HAIL!!! Nooo, I said HAIL - not BAIL, damnit!

Anonymous said...

Rocky Jewhayda, it sounds like you have a major mancrush. We all know it's you posting half if not more of these weird comments regarding Schoep. I must admit it is hard to tell the difference between yours and Schoep's x wifes comments. Maybe you two should get together since you have so much in common. Hell you guys even almost look alike.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps if Jeff took out his blue contacts he could see better? He wouldn't look as "aryan" like he wants, but his vision might not be so poor. Angela F.

Anonymous said...

Com'on Rocky we all know that Jeff was never even married to this arab bitch Joanna. And her nigger daughter is a figment of your old perverted mind. As for Jeff Schoep being an adulterer, Rocky your just jealous because you can't get any hot pussy! Your stuck, for how many years to that worn out old lady of yours, and you can only dream of the meat Jeff gets! Go molest your retarded autisic sons. You old jealous loser! Jeffs the man!

Anonymous said...

I think Schoep is dreamy! Perhaps if he was fugly like most of you then he would be more accepted from your kind? This forum reaks of very lonely and self hating individuals.

Anonymous said...

More issues against RACE TRAITORS - like JEFF SCHOEP and DUKE SCHNIEDER both leaders of the National Satanist Movement aka "NSM"....