Thursday, March 04, 2010

Hal Turner Testifies For Five Hours On Day Three Of His Second Trial, Says He Never Believed In White Nationalism, It Was All Just Role-Playing

Update March 10th: Jury hopelessly deadlocked, judge declares mistrial. Third trial to begin April 12th. Updated post HERE.


On Day Three of Hal Turner's second trial, the former shock jock took the stand and spent five hours regaling the court with tales about his activities and his relationship with the FBI. Most notably, Turner portrayed himself as having never actually believed in White nationalism, but was merely playing a role. Media stories from the New York Times and NorthJersey.com

Turner, whose life has been further complicated by the fact that due to $95,000 in unpaid legal bills, he had to file for bankruptcy on February 24th, provided a detailed account of his rise as an incendiary radio host, as well as his recruitment and intermittent relationship with the FBI. He tried to characterize the controversial posting about the three Chicago judges in the summer of 2009 as a continuation of the same behavior that the FBI had tolerated and encouraged over the years.

In more than two hours of testimony before lunch, Turner described how he was recruited in 2003 by the FBI’s Newark-based Joint Terrorism Task Force. He said he was paid “in excess of $100,000” by the FBI during his almost five years as an informant. After the husband and mother of Chicago-based U.S. District Court Judge Joan Lefkow were murdered in 2005, Turner said the FBI asked him to “ratchet up the rhetoric” on his radio show in an attempt to “flush out” the killer. As it turned out, Lefkow’s husband and mother were not murdered by right-wing extremists but by a man who was disgruntled with one of her rulings.

Turner described his repulsion to racist views even as he became one of the country’s most prominent proponents of them. He said he never wanted anyone to get hurt. He painted a contrarian picture of himself as a patriot who answered the call of the federal government to infiltrate the white supremacist movement. But although he received more than $100,000 in payments for his assistance and allegedly helped avert “more than 10 acts of domestic terrorism,” his outspokenness so concerned the FBI that the agency eventually stopped using him, and he was later arrested. Turner emphasized that he never believed the message he promulgated, citing a letter he wrote to one F.B.I. agent that said, “Just be confident that the person you hear [or hear about] on radio is not real life.”

Of course, that opens an interesting question: Is Hal Turner genuine now, or is he merely playing yet another role?

Previously, on Day Two, the three 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals judges targeted by Turner -- Chief Judge Frank Easterbrook and Judges Richard Posner and William Bauer -- gave testimony. According to Law.com, the questioning of the first two judges, Posner and Bauer, passed largely without incident. Posner testified, "I considered this to be a serious threat. ... It's bothersome. It's not pleasant to be threatened. ... I think about this. I have a job to do. I'm doing the best I can." Bauer testified that he believed the posts to be "a threat to kill me, and the two other judges. An indication that somebody else should do it, though."

But the cross-examination of Easterbrook proved to be riveting drama and a primer on constitutional law. It also featured a series of stumbles by the defense. Defense attorney Michael Orozco opened up with the same questions directed at the other two judges. But then Orozco challenged Easterbrook on the merits of the decision in National Rifle Association v. Chicago, the opinion that spurred Turner's alleged threats and which was written by Easterbrook. After suggesting that the U.S. Supreme Court had heard the National Rifle Association's appeal of the case Tuesday morning, Orozco asked the judge, "If it's overturned, doesn't that mean Hal Turner is correct?" To which Easterbrook said no, for two reasons. First, the central issue -- whether the Second Amendment applies to the states -- is one for the Supreme Court; therefore, a reversal would in fact confirm that the case had been rightly decided. And second, Easterbrook said, "What Mr. Turner's blog post says is that anybody who decides a case incorrectly should be assassinated. That is not the way the system is supposed to work."

Orozco then followed up with another argument regarding the merits of National Rifle Association v. Chicago, citing the supremacy clause. "No, you simply are not grasping the case," Easterbrook said, a line he repeated throughout his cross-examination. The judge then went on to give an extended history of the Fourteenth Amendment and its relationship to the Second Amendment, and U.S. Supreme Court precedent regarding both amendments dating back to 1873.

Whether the defense miscues will cause the jury of seven men and five women to be more likely to convict remains to be seen. With the testimony of the three judges, the prosecution rested its case, and it's now in the hands of the defense. If convicted, Turner faces up to 10 years in federal prison.

21 comments:

Kyle said...

damn right, how do you know he's honest NOW? the only reason to believe he is, is that he's got little to gain at this point, with $100K to pay in legal fees, he's just trying to be free. If he was able to lie about his career of being a talk show personality, he's bankrupt for both cash and credibility, who cares who the real Hal Turner is now?

Anonymous said...

Some news-accounts have reported that Turner "built an audience of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with his radio show." But a closer look reveals no evidence to back it up. The more-perceptive news-outlets have reported that Turner's audience, if any, was entirely unknown, as to size and orientation. Some have postulated that he had no audience whatsoever, but that he was simply a blow-hard seeking attention (as is more likely) per directives from his FBI-handlers and to stoke his own ego (as well as pad his wallet from the feds).

I tuned in one time and heard him rant about killing people. He had one caller, who espoused the "Libertarian" party-line, in agreement. I checked with various right-wing websites, all of which had repudiated Turner.

As to the claim that Turner "made contact" with various targets, yes, that part is true. He is pictured appearing, briefly, with some, but that does not suggest that they comprised any fanciful "audience" for his webcast.

Turner's final admission to being a paid FBI-informant is undoubtedly a relief and vindication to those who claimed, from the outset, that he was a "rat." It is just too bad that some bought into his ploy for as long as they did.

apollonian said...

It's AA And WNs Who Deserve Most Scrutiny--Not Relatively Honest Hal Turner
(Apollonian, 4 Mar 10)

The question is simply does Hal Turner have right to free speech--this is proper issue--what he's on trial for.

And "white nationalism" (WN) is a Jew-front and fraud for white folk (see GentileAlliance.org for expo/ref. on WN fraud). Don't forget AA here at WhiteReference is an enthusiastic "WN" working for the Jews--along w. Dave Duke and the other WN shills at MajorityRights and Occidental dissent.

It's actually good and most honest Hal Turner repudiates WN. I'm just glad I have a site now over at GentileAlliance.org where I can refer folks to fullest expo on WN fraud.

Don't forget there's real issues at play here: (1) Tyranny vs. freedom, hence then (2) Christian TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 14:6) vs. Jew lies and conspiracy, this Jew tyranny practically founded upon US Federal Reserve Bank (Fed) COUNTERFEITING fraud--see RealityZone.com and TheMoneyMasters.com for expo/ref.--which finances everything else about ZOG-Mammon empire-of-lies and Orwellian "perpetual war for perp. peace," as in Iraq/Afgan, soon now to spreading most disastrously to Iran.

Christianity (anti-semitism, as anti-Talmud, Gosp. MARK 7:1-13) then is the real, proper ideal for ALL GENTILES, white and non-white--against Jews who mastermind the criminal conspiracy behind ZOG-Mammon Tyranny.

WN then is Jew-sponsored (a) DIVERSION fm necessary Christian TRUTH ideal, WN aimed at (b) instigating division among gentiles and whites who are over-whelmingly Christian-oriented and -sympathetic.

WN, as BNP in England, thus seeks (c) to pretending Jews are "white," (d) ENFORCING Jews against and upon the white and Christian people. (e) WN is Jew effort to relieve Jews of ISOLATION against all peoples, now rather ISOLATING whites against all peoples.

Hence then observe we see here AA doing Jews' work, attempting a diversionary fraud, pretending to placing attention and scrutiny upon FAR MORE HONEST Hal Turner.

CONCLUSION: And I have to make the pt. most plain regarding this subversion and hypocrisy of AA: HAVE U NOTICED HE PRETENDS TO ADVANCE AND DEFEND "NAZIs" who are known as un-compromising anti-semites--and YET AA also, at same time, promoting WNs, these WNs, including AA himself, sympathetic to Jews, only pretending to playing "hard-to-get," though willing ultimately to compromise w. Jews? Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

Anonymous said...

Hal Turner's conviction would be "poetic justice" for the rat who soiled his own nest and tried (unsuccessfully) to pollute ours, even though stating that someone "should be" killed is part of free-speech under the First Amendment. To not be actually covered, somebody has to have the "imminent" ability to "imminently" carry the threat out, which does not qualify under just some screed over the Internet.

However, it is possible that Turner will "walk," although never have a "free-ride" among right-wingers, again. The feds notably did not call the Jew-judges, who Turner had supposedly "threatened," in the first trial, because the court is in Brooklyn, New York, where anti-Jewish sentiment runs high, especially among Negroes, who would be part of the jury.

The feds opted to take the risk, the second time around, but the carping by the Jew-judges, themselves, probably has alienated at least some of the jurors, who would be reluctant to abolish the Bill of Rights just to please some over-sensitive, perpetual, self-assumed "victims."

True enough, Turner, his Mexican lawyer, his fat-broad wife and his lying, twisted ego-mania all will get what they deserve, upon Turner's conviction. But, if he slides or any conviction is tossed out on appeal, we will still have the satisfaction of having literally bankrupted the cur, who was morally and politically bankrupt from the git-go.

By the way, White Reference is to be congratulated for switching gears, in time, after once endorsing Turner, but, finally, exposing and condemning the "rat," the same as with Turner-wanna-be Jim Giles, another self-confressed FBI-informant.

apollonian said...

"Anon" Tries Too Hard Playing WN Game For Jews
(Apollonian, 4 Mar 10)

"Anon," at 7:04 am--can't u see u CONTRADICT urself rather idiotically when first u indicate no one ever really took Hal Turner seriously--THEN u pretending to lament anyone ever "bought into" good ol' Hal?

CONCLUSION: Do u think maybe u try a little toooo hard to playing the Jew-friendly WN game? Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

apollonian said...

"By the way, White Reference is to be congratulated for switching gears, in time, after once endorsing Turner, but, finally, exposing and condemning the "rat," the same as with Turner-wanna-be Jim Giles, another self-confressed FBI-informant." -"anon" 7:26 AM

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Hal Turner Could Only Really Have "Ratted" On Jews
(Apollonian, 4 Mar 10)

Hey dipshit at 7:26am, u ought to read my above posts, stupid punk. Tell me, dumbass piece-of-shit, what could Hal Turner possibly have "ratted" upon?--illegal activity, eh stupid? Who then would be brainless enough to further going to telling someone he didn't even know, like Hal Turner, about it?--U DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE, MORON.

It's just Christian vs. Jew, that's all, and all we Christian soldiers need do is to (a) speak truth about Jews--which is bad enough for Jews. And (b) we need merely take measures of SELF-DEFENSE which we have right to doing.

CONCLUSION: So the ONLY thing Hal Turner could really ever have "ratted" WOULD HAVE BEEN JEW PROVOCATEURS (like urself, eh punk?) attempting to entrap MORONS like urself. Think about it, dumbass--do u think maybe that's why (exposure of Jew provocateurs working for ADL and SPLC) Hal Turner is in such trouble and now on trial? Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

Anchorage Activist said...

Apollonian - the fact that you consider Hal Turner to be more "honest" than David Duke, Occidental Dissent, etc., shows that you're out there on the same lunatic fringe as Martin Lindstedt. Hal Turner was NEVER pro-White - he was playing a role.

Come in out of the cold, Apollonian - you're too smart to become a disciple of Martin Lindstedt.

Anchorage Activist said...

Turner's confession that he was never really pro-White should cause rational people to take a second look at Turner's role during the May 2007 Knoxville Rally.

Remember how Alex Linder "suddenly" got roughed up and arrested by cops at the beginning of the rally? Well, now we must entertain the possibility that Hal Turner, through his Federal handlers, arranged for the Knoxville cops to arrest Linder in order to get him out of the way so that he, Turner, could take control of the rally and guide it in the direction the Feds wanted.

Also remember that one guy who showed up wearing a T-shirt with a swastika on it in order to try and discredit us. Was that also a Hal Turner prop?

apollonian said...

AA And WNs Should Quit Kidding Themselves--Christians Are The Only Significant White Folk
(Apollonian, 4 Mar 10)

AA, at this pt. u're starting to let ur "cover" drop. I believe ur own story, this blog, states Hal said he wasn't "white NATIONALIST"--get it?--that's NATIONALIST, NATIONALIST, NATIONALIST.

What moron, who is white, would say they're not "pro-white"?--that's like Indian saying he's not pro-Indian.

I disagree w. Lindstedt and "Christian-Identity" for several reasons: (a) Christianity must be understood fm New Test., NOT the Old. (b) Christianity should embrace all gentiles, not making other gentiles necessarily enemies of whites, and (c) Christianity, like St. Paul, St. Augustine, et al., rejects perfectly "free" human will.

But otherwise Lindstedt is consistent anti-semite--which u and WNs, esp. BNP, are NOT.

If u're truly "pro-white," AA, then u must understand "white" as non- and anti-Jew, Jews NOT "white." There will be no compromise.

CONCLUSION: And AA, remember: I'm honest, consistent Christian soldier, absolutely anti-semitic, always. U shouldn't kid urself u impress anyone with ur idiot WN chums and Jew-accommodators, including Dave Duke. U WNs and Jew-sympathizers are ultimately at odds w. ALL Christians and honest people, never doubt. "Lunatic fringe" is Jewwy political-correct phrase, AA--u only make urself sound like a fool, comrade. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

apollonian said...

AA And WNs Should Quit Kidding Themselves--Christians Are The Only Significant White Folk
(Apollonian, 4 Mar 10)

AA, at this pt. u're starting to let ur "cover" drop. I believe ur own story, this blog, states Hal said he wasn't "white NATIONALIST"--get it?--that's NATIONALIST, NATIONALIST, NATIONALIST.

What moron, who is white, would say they're not "pro-white"?--that's like Indian saying he's not pro-Indian.

I disagree w. Lindstedt and "Christian-Identity" for several reasons: (a) Christianity must be understood fm New Test., NOT the Old. (b) Christianity should embrace all gentiles, not making other gentiles necessarily enemies of whites, and (c) Christianity, like St. Paul, St. Augustine, et al., rejects perfectly "free" human will.

But otherwise Lindstedt is consistent anti-semite--which u and WNs, esp. BNP, are NOT.

If u're truly "pro-white," AA, then u must understand "white" as non- and anti-Jew, Jews NOT "white." There will be no compromise.

CONCLUSION: And AA, remember: I'm honest, consistent Christian soldier, absolutely anti-semitic, always. U shouldn't kid urself u impress anyone with ur idiot WN chums and Jew-accommodators, including Dave Duke. U WNs and Jew-sympathizers are ultimately at odds w. ALL Christians and honest people, never doubt. "Lunatic fringe" is Jewwy political-correct phrase, AA--u only make urself sound like a fool, comrade. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

Anonymous said...

Is there any solid evidence that Turner and Linder are NOT in cahoots?

Anonymous said...

Wasn't H. Turner friends with that Newp group? From Newengland? *Shudders*

Anonymous said...

Quote----

"Anonymous said...
Is there any solid evidence that Turner and Linder are NOT in cahoots?"

Unquote---

I wonder the same thing sometimes.

D_VM said...

Thanks for posting this White Referance!
It's been posted on VNN Forum!
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=108241

Always knew that with that big mouth that Hal was a rat, there is no way anyone can get away with talking about allusions to murder like Hal did. The Feds are getting more and more desperate over our growing power online and off-line.

Anonymous said...

Here is a 2002 interview in which Turner tried, but failed, to infiltrate Skinheads:
http://www.skinheadz.com/news/interviews/2002/030401.html

Grigorios Aryan said...

What. A. Rat.

Let him rot in jail. Hal has filed a bankruptcy and won't be able to afford a good lawyer any longer.

That'll teach him to stab people's backs and cash in for that.

Anonymous said...

Remember that the National Socialist Movement led by jeff Schoep willingly invited Hal Turner to their functions and put their members in harms way - then again, Schoep never cared about his members anyway.

Anonymous said...

A few Turnerisms:

"I don't hate Jews, blacks and Mexicans."
Hal Turner

"I am not a white supremacist. Never have been."
Hal Turner

"My client was trained by the FBI as an agent provocateur."
Hal Turner's Mexican lawyer

"I want you to understand how ridiculous it was for me to even be accused of being an FBI informant, and how hurtful and devastating it was for me."
Hal Turner

Kyle said...

One thing important to learn though, there's hardly a conspiracy among our federal government.

His handlers never came to his rescue or defense (until he admitted it), nobody made backdoor phone calls to shut the case up.

If the government was serious about keeping the show going, they'd hire Turner their own lawyer, buy their own jury, argue for his freedom, and put him back on the air.

But only SOME in the government used him, many others despise him. Not how a conspiracy works.

Turner is now bankrupt, with no friends, just like the guy in the movie "The Informant" with Matt Damon.

jimbo! said...

at the very least, HT's experience should serve as a salutary lesson to any other white man thinking of similar activities....ZOG will betray you!....they will FUCK & BURN you!....do NOT trust them....if they try to threaten and/or intimidate you into such activities....SHOOT the fckn MONGREL DOGs!...better to die in a "shoot out" then end up doing 50+ years amongst a bunch of psychopathic, filthy, nigger GARBAGE!

'Kwans still have their guns.....start FUCKING WELL USING THEM!

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