Tuesday, August 18, 2009

Itz Over! Hal Turner Not Only Was An FBI Informant, But Lawyer Michael Orozco Unmasked Him As An "Agent Provocateur" In August 18th Court Hearing


After the results of the August 18th court hearing in Hartford, Connecticut, I don't see how it is possible for any White activist to support Hal Turner in any way, shape, of form. Itz over!

The Hartford Courant is reporting that Superior Court Judge David P. Gold authorized Michael A. Orozco, a New Jersey attorney, to represent Turner. Turner did not appear again in court because he remains in federal custody without bail in Chicago, where he is accused of threatening three federal judges.

In asking Gold to allow Orozco to represent Turner, Turner's Connecticut lawyer, Matthew R. Potter, said Orozco has a long-term legal relationship with Turner, plans to bring a complicated First Amendment defense and is familiar with Turner's background as an FBI informant. That role as an informant for the FBI is a key part of the defense.

But after the hearing, Orozco dropped the bomb, saying that Turner was specifically trained by the FBI as an agent provocateur. "Mr. Turner was trained by the FBI," Orozco said. "He was told where the line was — what he could say." Orozco further stated that, "His [Turner's] job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner that would cause their arrest". And this is not just another one of Turner's Tall Tales, either; the FBI confirmed that Turner worked for them from 2002-7.

Part of Orozco's defense strategy will be to show that the recent blog comments posted by Turner did not cross the line originally set by the FBI, although they were made after his relationship with the FBI allegedly "ended". Turner's next Federal hearing in Chicago is scheduled for October 5th, and his next state hearing in Hartford for October 19th.

Let's stop right here. There is a difference between being an informant and being an agent provocateur. Being an informant merely entails reporting findings back to one's principal. It does NOT entail inducing or soliciting criminal activity via entrapment. In contrast, being an agent provocateur actually entails inducing or soliciting people to commit criminal activity to preemptively flush them out and cause their arrest.

This is about as low as one can go. The fact that no one went to jail because of Turner's activities is now IRRELEVANT.

And as for his rallies? Circumstantial evidence now surfacing indicates that Hal Turner may have actually tried to sabotage some of the rallies in which he played a prominent role. In this VNN Forum thread, JimInCO, who attended the November 2005 rally in Kingston, NY, held in support of White hate crime victim Robbie Hedrick, wrote the following:

When YJ [the late "Yankee Jim" Leshkovich] and I were working on the Kingston rally, it seemed like Turner was continually screwing up our efforts. At the time I assumed that it was just Hal being a loudmouthed attention whore, but knowing he was working with the FBI makes me think that he was actively sabotaging what we were working on.

A couple of examples:

1) I found and weaseled my way onto an email list being used by the antis to plan their counter-rally. I fed YJ info from this list, which he passed on to Hal. Instead of sitting back and watching, he gloated about what we were doing, after which the email list was quickly shut down.

2) At YJ's request I did about two days worth of research on the opposition. I can't recall the exact details, but there was something that I found about the 9 or 10 year old daughter of one of the organizers. I sent it along, with specific instructions not to publish it (it wasn't her fault her mother was an idiot). What does Hal do? He strips away the text asking him not to publish it, then publishes it anyway. WNs targeting 9 year old girls, that always goes over well.

3) I found the location of the meeting place (a cafe, IIRC) where the antis were going to meet with local "green party" (?) politicians in order to finalize the plans for their counter-rally. We had the location, the time, everything. YJ and I were trying to find someone the locals wouldn't know to attend and record the meeting, to prove without a doubt that the local politicians were actively helping to organize these communists. Hal posted about the meeting before we were able to get someone there.

4) Hal repeatedly tried to get my phone number so that he could thank me, or so he claimed. I though that a bit odd, since he could have just as easily thanked me via email. I wonder how many shekels a random WN's phone number is worth?

And BTW, although Turner took credit for organizing the Kingston rally, let me be clear in stating that at least 90% of the work was done by Yankee Jim. As usual, Turner took full credit for the hard work of others, lining his pockets with donations (and tax-payer money, it seems) along the way.


And in this other VNN Forum thread, OTPTT relates how Hal Turner pulled a gun on him during the May 2007 Knoxville Rally:

This explains Hal's pointing his pistol at me on the morning of the first Knoxville rally. I believe he was trying to provoke me into producing any firearm I, or others, may have had with me (us) on that day and his handlers would have known of my previous experience in using firearms to defend my person from various attacks from both niggers and kwops. I can only imagine what was in store for me had I produced a firearm at that particular moment.

While Signal [another VNN activist] acknowledged that Hal pointed his pistol in my direction on that morning he (Signal) didn't attach any meaning to it. Of course I knew better or sensed that there was something more to it than just an irresponsible dumb ass playing with a pistol in PUBLIC several states away from his home. No one I know ever pulls out a gun in public much less in public and pointing it at other people.

No one but an FBI informant would feel comfortable playing with a pistol in a public area where any number of people could have called the local police and reporting 'a man with a gun' at a local hotel. I'm certain there were kwops and FBI agents in some of the other hotel rooms observing those of us who were gathered at Hal's hotel room prior to the rally. I can't prove it but the circumstantial evidence is there in my opinion.


Consequently, Hal Turner has now placed himself beyond the pale. He is worthy of neither financial nor moral support. It would be an insult to other political prisoners like Bill White to refer to Hal Turner as a political prisoner. I do not regret having defended him as long as I did; I do not believe in lynch mobs or vigilante justice. But Hal Turner has irrevocably buried himself with his own words.

Itz over!!!

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

This incarceration of Hal Turner is an internal squabble of the FBI regarding one of their informants.

Anonymous said...

I've noticed that Richard Barrett blew the whistle on Hal Turner back in 2002. Barrett turned out to be the Bob Novak of the right. Three cheers. Too bad we didn't listen earlier.

Norge said...

Oh my, what a rat.

He pulled this stuff for years and even got some thousand bucks out of it while begging for donations.

Hal Turner's behaviour is making me sick. How low, how degraded his betrayal has been.

Shame on him. Let him rot in jail.

LARS said...

READ FOR YOURSELF:
NOTHING MORE NEED BE SAID:

Attorney: FBI trained NJ blogger to incite others
By KATIE NELSON (AP) – 30 minutes ago

HARTFORD, Conn. — A New Jersey blogger facing charges in two states for allegedly making threats against lawmakers and judges had training from the FBI on how to be deliberately provocative, his attorney said Tuesday.

Hal Turner worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an "agent provocateur" and was taught by the agency "what he could say that wouldn't be crossing the line," defense attorney Michael Orozco said.

"His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest," Orozco said.

Prosecutors have acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations, but Turner was not working for the FBI when he allegedly made threats against Connecticut legislators and wrote that three federal judges in Illinois deserved to die.

"But if you compare anything that he did say when he was operating, there was no difference. No difference whatsoever," Orozco said.

Orozco spoke to reporters after a court hearing in Hartford on Tuesday. Turner, 47, of North Bergen, N.J., did not appear, because he is in federal custody in Illinois. His arraignment on the Connecticut charges was rescheduled to Oct. 19.

In June, Turner urged his readers to "take up arms" against Connecticut lawmakers and suggested government officials should "obey the Constitution or die," because he was angry over legislation — later withdrawn — that would have given lay members of Roman Catholic churches more control over their parish's finances.

He wrote in Internet postings the same month that the Illinois federal appeals judges "deserve to be killed" because they issued a ruling that upheld ordinances in Chicago and suburban Oak Park banning handguns. He included their photos and the room numbers of their chambers at the courthouse.

Orozco officially joined Turner's defense team in the Connecticut case on Tuesday, with approval from Superior Court Judge David Gold. Orozco said his Newark, N.J.-based firm has been representing Turner for the past five years, including during his FBI informant years.

Turner's Connecticut attorney, Matthew R. Potter, said it's too early to tell which trial will move forward first. Orozco said he plans First Amendment defenses in both cases.

Randall Samborn, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in Chicago, said the office would not comment on Orozco's statements. The FBI office in Chicago didn't immediately return a call for comment Tuesday.

10:56 AM

Anchorage Activist said...

It's sad, but we have the satisfaction of knowing for certain that the allegations are true now. Hal Turner will no longer be a bone of contention within our ranks.

The only remaining question now is "Why?" Why in the hell would a seemingly-sane individual embark upon this road?

LARS said...

SAGA-ODE TO A DYING RACE!
http://www.workingmannews.com/

WATCH, LISTEN AND WEEP!

apollonian said...

Hal Was Just Little Too Fast And Loose--But He Still Has Great Patriot Potential
(Apollonian, 19 Aug 09)

AA, u knew I'd be getting in on this topic, and once again, great coverage by WhiteReference for reporting facts, analysis, discussion, etc. Note u should not JUMP to conclusions regarding dear old Hal Turner.

I always liked Hal Turner, and I'm sure he's basically a patriot--observe ZOG-Mammon scum have put him in jail--so it's not like Hal Turner was their pliant little instrument. ZOG scum won't even give Hal Turner bail--so u know they're scared of Hal.

And observe how the Jews and queers all hate Hal Turner--u know he's got to be doing something right.

Answer to ur question of "why" (just above) is simple: the MONEY. If u put out enough bucks, u're gonna get someone, sometime, to take the bait.

And don't forget the gov. just COUNTERFEITS the money (see RealityZone.com, TheMoneyMasters.com, and JudenFrei.org for expo/ref. on US Federal Reserve Bank [Fed] fraud)--it's easiest thing in world for them--it's same way they get these scum in Congress to vote for bills, like illegal alien invasion, which is violently opposed by 80% of the people. Congress doesn't even bother reading the bills--they're too well paid and bribed by means of this COUNTERFEITING--do u begin to get the picture?

Counterfeiting then is why Judeo-conspirators (see TheNewAmerican.com and AugustReview.com for expo/ref. on CFR-Bilderberg conspiracy) WILL GET EVERYTHING THEY WANT, eventually, sooner rather than later, the way it looks--as for "Hate Crimes," gun-control, etc.

My theory is Hal Turner thought he could do both things: (a) be a patriot, and (b) make money on the side fm the gov. Hal was a little too fast and loose--a problem shared by many, I'm afraid.

For after all, all we patriots need is truth and info--then a little analysis and planning (like we get so often on WhiteReference for facts and analysis, anyway)--WE DON'T NEED TO BREAK THE LAW OR BE VIOLENT--except at the end when we cannot avoid violence in self-defense. And I'm sure Hal Turner thought he had it all calculated.

So AA, u should think and consider more shrewdly--there's nothing necessarily wrong w. being "informer," taking gov.'s money--esp. considering circumstances. Same goes for "provocateuring."

The whole, basic problem for Hal Turner was his impatience and half-measures for inadequately considered philosophy--don't forget Hal Turner backed the British Nat. party (BNP), an OBVIOUS JEW operation, backed and funded by Jews, designed to co-opt the white Christian volk, isolating the white people, intimidating and coercing white people to be slaves to Jews, pretending Jews are "white," etc.

Hal Turner continues to deserve patriot support for his and our rights of free speech--it's perfectly proper and virtuous to opine that present Judicial conspirators SHOULD BE KILLED--there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Death to scum--we only have to do it in most expedient manner, that's all--first we take control of gov., then give them fair trials and swift, humane executions. Hey, I'm Christian, don't forget.


[----------see below for part two to above entry-----------A.]

apollonian said...

[-------here's part two to above entry-------A.]

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When Hal Turner emerges fm all this, he might finally make a deserving load of money if he writes up a good book saying how and why he had to do all this stuff. Then Hal could very well START ALL OVER, as he'll always have his basic fan cadre of supporters. People love Hal Turner for understandable reasons.

For don't forget something AA--u, along with many other "patriots," still need to getting a bit of a clue urselves, u know--this whole patriot "thing" is essentially an anti-semitic effort (for Jews are necessarily the conspiratorial masterminds). Therefore the thing MOST needed is the MOST EFFECTIVE ANTI-SEMITISM, which is rationalist Christianity, which again is anti-semitic at its very root core.

For note, REASON (hence HEALTH), just by itself is absolutely anti-semitic (anti-hysterical and anti-pathologic); problem is reason is mere METHOD; Christianity then ADDS the particular MOTIVATION for "ethics," TRUTH vs. Jew lies and conspiracy, in accord w. Gosp. JOHN. "Love" of St. Paul is ONLY for anti-semitic allies among gentiles.

Thus my own great insight is St. Paul must be subordinated to that magnificent Gosp. JOHN. And HONESTY (nec. for truth, the greatest value) is greatest ethical virtue, out-ranking mere "love."

So finally AA, note the moral of this Hal Turner episode is Hal's impatience, his petulance, his hot-headedness, and his half-measures and slip-shod thinking (though not always in all things), esp. in case of BNP scum--don't doubt U'VE GOT SIMILAR PROBLEMS (failure of analysis).

Consider that little, whining, effeminate bastard at AccessStLouis.blogspot.com (who typically has some idiotic things to say on our subject, if u bother to ck)--if that son-of-a-bitch punk was run-over by a garbage truck tomorrow, NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE, would miss him, an utterly empty-headed piece-of-pretentious shit who says nothing and knows nothing, and surely never will--a total ZERO.

CONCLUSION: Hal Turner, on the other hand, is genuinely TALENTED and brilliant person who can still do much good for our patriot movement--he can speak, and he can make videos, as he's already proven. Hal Turner only now needs to follow Apollonian advice (see GentileAlliance.com) for preaching against "Judeo-Christian" (JC--see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo/ref.) hereticalists, traitors, Jew-accomplices, and -enablers--and he will immediately improve the entire patriot situation, and people will forget all about his past errors and hasty, ill-considered, and half-baked actions. U urself ought to think about things AA--U'RE NO BETTER THAN HAL TURNER. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

Anonymous said...

Why did Hal do it?

His lawyer has revealed that he is a "former" cocaine-addict. I have my suspicious about the "former" part, but, nevertheless, the addiction (and resulting mental affliction) would be my guess for his bizarre, anti-social and self-destructive behavior.

I'm thinking paranoia, schizophrenia, ego-mania, narcissism, dilusionary, etc.

apollonian said...

U Know Hal Turner Did Great Job When He Gets Such Consistent Compliments From The Chosenites
(Apollonian, 19 Aug 09)

Anon at 9:26 am, how do we know u're a filthy, scummy, hook-nosed, rat-faced Jew?--would it be ur idiotic, hysterical, presumptuous, patronizing, and self-serving commentary on heroic Hal Turner?--who has done nothing wrong whatsoever--zilch.

"[B]izarre, anti-social and self-destructive behavior"?--what are u talking about, scummy kike? Hal Turner was anti-semitic, so far as we know, so we know he was on right track, and very opposite of "anti-social."

"Self destructive"?--No, scummy kike, it's u putrid Judeo-conspirators and ZOG-Mammon dictatorship, acting illegally, which has dealt so destructively with heroic Hal Turner, dumbass hook-nose.

CONCLUSION: And it just goes to show--when we see dirty kikes like u going to all ur trouble to slander a man far better than kike filth like urself--we know heroic Hal Turner had to have been doing well. So thanks for ur idiotic, but typical, back-handed compliments, rat-face Jew. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

LARS said...

There is no justiification for attempting to entrap or entrapping someone unless there is a known danger to the safety and security of the community or nation.

As far as i know Hal Turner consistantly DENIED being an agent provacateur. He now admits HE WAS!

An agent to provoke someone to take actions that they normally would not take is nothing short of pure EVIL.

That means that Hal Turner set out on a path to entice people looking for racial truth and answers to puzzling national questions into taking actions that would lead to their eventual DEMISE at the hands of Federal Agents.

Hal Turner now admits this. HE DID IT! PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION!

If you continue to downplay his own words of admission then you must either be a CO-PROCOVATEUR or unable to critically piece together the meaning of someone's words who publically state "I DID IT!"

David Duke DID IT, Roy Black DID IT Alex Linder DID IT, they admitted DOING IT!

what part of I DID IT, don't you understand? They are agents of the federal government selected and trained to HARM YOU!

The American white race needs some serious education. We need white leaders who are NOT tainted by scandal, admitted betrayal and unscrupulous behavior.

I have joined the BNP because the Golden State Party appears to be coordinated through Alex Linder.

I will take my chances OVERSEAS where they take their white genocide seriously as they are less than 10 years from oblivion.

American white movements are fomented with traitors, provocateurs and dimwits unable to accept when someone tells them to their face that they tried to entrap them.

apollonian said...

[Editorial commentary by Apollonian in below-copied text, capped, bracketed. A.]

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LARS said...

"There is no justiification for attempting to entrap or entrapping someone [WHAT EVIDENCE DO U HAVE FOR HAL TURNER "ENTRAPPING" ANYONE?]

"...unless there is a known danger to the safety and security of the community or nation.

"As far as i know Hal Turner consistantly DENIED being an agent provacateur. He now admits HE WAS! [BRILLIANT DEDUCTION, WATSON--NOTE HAL TURNER IS ROTTING IN ZOG'S DUNGEON.]

"An agent to provoke someone to take actions that they normally would not take [THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF THIS.]

"...is nothing short of pure EVIL. [THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "EVIL" WHICH IS TOTALLY SUBJECTIVE. ANYONE WHO SPEAKS IN TERMS OF "GOOD-EVIL" IS A JEW-MENTALITY AND THUS SUSPECT.]

"That means that Hal Turner set out on a path to entice people [THIS IS FALSE--U HAVE NO EVIDENCE FOR THIS.]

"...looking for racial truth and answers to puzzling national questions into taking actions that would lead to their eventual DEMISE at the hands of Federal Agents.

"Hal Turner now admits this. [FALSE, "LARS," I NOTICE, LIKE A JEW, U WORK URSELF UP INTO HYSTERICAL FITS OF FANCY, DON'T U?]

"HE DID IT! PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION! [RIGHT, U HYSTERICAL WEAKLING.]

"If you continue to downplay his own words of admission [THAT'S JUST IT--WHAT DID HAL TURNER ADMIT TO?--U'RE THE ONE TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF WHAT ISN'T THERE--U'RE THE ONE MIS-LEADING URSELF AND WILLING TO MISLEAD OTHERS TOO, EVIDENTLY.]

"...then you must either be a CO-PROCOVATEUR or unable to critically piece together the meaning of someone's words who publically state "I DID IT!" [RIGHT--I HAVE A BODY OF WORK AT NewNation.org UNDER "COMMENTARY" HEADING; ALSO, U CAN CK GentileAlliance.com TOO.]

"David Duke DID IT, Roy Black DID IT Alex Linder DID IT, they admitted DOING IT! [DOING WHAT?--U TEND TO GET HYSTERICAL, DON'T U?]

"what part of I DID IT, don't you understand? [WELL, JUST PRODUCE THE ACTUAL TEXT, AND I'LL READ IT, OR GIVE SOME GENUINE REFERENCES.]

"They are agents of the federal government selected and trained to HARM YOU! [RIGHT, AGAIN--U KNOW ALL ABOUT IT, DON'T U?]

"The American white race needs some serious education. [YES INDEED, AND SO DO U TOO, EH?]

"We need white leaders who are NOT tainted by scandal, admitted betrayal and unscrupulous behavior. [WELL, U NEED TO BE LESS HYSTERICAL AND MORE CAREFUL FOR UR EXTRAPOLATIONS, I'D SAY.]

"I have joined the BNP [THAT'S BIG MISTAKE, COMRADE; U SHOULD RE-CONSIDER. BNP IS A JEW ORGANIZATION, MADE FOR JEWS.]

"...because the Golden State Party appears to be coordinated through Alex Linder. [ALEX LINDER IS INDEED SCUM, WITHOUT A DOUBT--SO I AGREE W. U THERE.]

"I will take my chances OVERSEAS where they take their white genocide seriously as they are less than 10 years from oblivion. [OH RIGHT AGAIN, LIKE U KNOW ALL ABOUT IT. AND I WONDER HOW U CALCULATE "10 YRS."]

"American white movements are fomented with traitors, provocateurs and dimwits unable to accept when someone tells them to their face that they tried to entrap them." [RIGHT--AND WHEN AND HOW DID HAL TURNER TRY TO "ENTRAP" U?--U'RE HYSTERICAL "LARS"--U NEED TO GET A CLUE.]

11:19 AM

larry said...

ran across this post on a texas website and i thought it informative:
"hal turner and every white supremicist group are under 24/7 federal monitoring.
david duke, alex linder, don black, bill white commander rockwell, all were and are federal informants used to attract anyone with ideas of white nationalism.

even if i were inclined to join a white party i would not because they are all started and run and funded by the feds.

hal turner admits publically that he entrapped people for the feds. he did it. he admits he did it. only the stupid would not believe his own admission.

david duke is a convicted felon. he did it he admitted he did it.

even still, white people who want to descuss why their culture is deteriorating have no plave to turn except to a cesspool of snitches, informants, provocateurs and criminals.

what a sorry state white america has become."

Norge said...

apollonian, you're the very last sick fuck that sticks to the rat Hal Turner.

Your cheap provocation and your pointless "theories" are useless.

Now have fun in your mom's basement.

apollonian said...

Ignorant Queer Trolls Should Not Be Posting On White People's Blogs
(Apollonian, 19 Aug 09)

"Norge, u and ur queer troll buddy, "larry," are just ignorant morons; why do u bother posting when u have nothing informative to say, ignorant scum? Hal Turner did absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever, so why should he be in jail? When I catch up with u I'm going to beat ur faces to bloody pulp, don't doubt. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

LARS said...

don black was shot burglarizing the office of j.d. stoner for the nazi party by jerry ray, the brother of james earl ray.

black later was arrested and spent time in prison for attempting to smuggle a boatload of illegal weapons to invade the island of "domenica."

david duke lied to his followers and raised millions of dollars but failed to pay taxes on any of it. instead using it to pay ganbling debts in vegas. he pleaded guilty to tax fraud voluntarily and went to prison.

david duke has spent untold amounts of donations for plastic surgery. why? maybe he enjoys the austrian jetsetting lifestyle.

mrs. david duke, NOW chloe black the wife of Duke's main nazi party supporter don black, has made millions of dolars from black's website stormfront, but recently she was caught using some of the money for the CUBAN group FANJUL BROTHERS, to build SCHOOLS for disadvantaged black and hispanic kids!

chloe (duke) black's involvement with the cuban criminal enterprise raises questions about the connection to the communist regime in cuba!

derek black, son of don black actually won a seat in palm beach florida but the nazi derek black REFUSES to sign a loyalty oath to the Constitution of the United States! david duke uses his follower's donations to support these nazi scum who openly despise america.

alex linder, a reformed jew and self proclaimed former CNN newsman runs a questionable website that looks exactly like don black's website stormfront. linder fought with police and was arrested in knoxville, tn after ignoring clear police lines.

Now, after reading all of the above directly from non-contested news sources, how can anyone imagine actually FOLLOWING these morons into any of their schemes?

is it any wonder the feds actively monitor these shyster's websites?

when white people search for answers we deserve honest legitimate reserach and legal discourse designed to advance our racial causes, we don't need nor deserve secretive entrapment into a spider's web of lies, liars, deciet and criminal undertakings.

when it comes to white supremicist websites and organizations, the caveat emptor is "buyer beware."

apollonian said...

Is "Lars" Just A Babbling Fool?
(Apollonian, 19 Aug 09)

"Lars" are u mentally retarded?--u sure seem like it fm the looks of the stupid crap u write.

"Nazi scum"?--"Lars," I think u're purest, putrid puke. Nazis were heroic anti-semites as far as I'm concerned; u're just and ignorant moron.

And tell me, "Lars," why should we take ur ignorant word for anything as u give no references for ur assertions about Don Black, Dave Duke, et al.?--where do u get ur info?

CONCLUSION: Does it occur to u Jews are problem--along w. gentile collaborators? And does it occur to u it's simply matter of Christian anti-semitism for the answer and solution? Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

LARS said...

just in case you have any doubts hal turner's lawyer speaks:

Lawyer: FBI Paid Right-Wing Blogger Charged With Threats
By David Kravets August 19, 2009 | 4:00 pm |
A notorious New Jersey hate blogger charged in June with threatening to kill judges and lawmakers was secretly an FBI “agent provocateur” paid to disseminate right-wing rhetoric, his attorney said Wednesday.

Hal Turner, the blogger and radio personality, remains jailed pending charges over his recent online rants, which prosecutors claim amounted to an invitation for someone to kill Connecticut lawmakers and Chicago federal appeals court judges.

But behind the scenes the reformed white supremacist was holding clandestine meetings with FBI agents who taught him how to spew hate “without crossing the line,” according to his lawyer, Michael Orozco.

“Almost everything was at the behest of the Federal Bureau of Investigation,” Orozco said in a 45-minute telephone interview from New Jersey. “Their job was to pick up information on the responses of what he was saying and see where that led them. It was an interesting dynamic on what he was being asked to do.”

“He’s a devoted American,” added the lawyer, who claims Turner was paid “tens of thousands of dollars” for his service.

Bill Carter, an FBI spokesman, said in a telephone interview the bureau’s policy is “to neither confirm nor deny whether an individual has an association with the FBI.”

Turner’s alleged 5-year-long bureau stint ended sometime in 2007, Orozco said, the year the mischievous online group, Anonymous, briefly shuttered his site — turnerradionetwork.blogspot.com — with a denial of service attack. At the time, hackers also posted what appeared to be private e-mails between Turner and the FBI.

The e-mails are legitimate, said Orozco. The FBI approached Turner, now 47, in 2002, and he spewed rhetoric about politics, white supremacy, immigration, abortion and other hot-button issues for years in exchange for government cash.

Turner was arrested in June at his apartment in suburban New Jersey.

According to court documents, (.pdf) after a three-judge panel of the Chicago-based 7th U.S. Circuit of Appeals upheld a Chicago handgun ban, he blogged that the judges should be “killed.”

“Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed. Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty. A small price to pay to assure freedom for millions,” he wrote.

A day later he posted addresses, photos, maps and other identifying information about Chief Judge Frank Easterbrook and Judges Richard Posner and William Bauer, the authorities said. State charges are also pending in Hartford, Connecticut, where Turner is accused of inciting readers to “take up arms” against state lawmakers.

Though the alleged threats came after his FBI service ended, Orozco said Turner’s relationship with the FBI is relevant to his defense.

“It is not trivial that the very government that trained an individual where the line was is prosecuting him when he has not stepped over the line,” Orozco said.

In addition, he is banking (.pdf) on the First Amendment to save his client’s skin.

“It’s a protected political statement. He opined,” Orozco said. “He said they deserved to be killed. He did not say grab a gun and go out and do what is necessary.”

mr apollonian its time to put the baby to bed!

Anonymous said...

The LARS info and assessment is right on target. Hopefully, the Turner incident is pulling the blinders off of many as to Black, Duke, Linder, etc. as well. Apart from the negative, a word about the positive. There are some efforts which might looked into.

For neo-Confederates, Pat Godwin runs a Fort Dixie outfit in Alabama.

For anti-immigrationists, the Minuteman of Jim Gilchrist runs out of California.

For Skinheads, Travis Golie heads up an outfit out of Iowa.

For anti-Holocausters, Frederick Toben has an organization based in Australia.

For right-wing politics, the BNP under Nick Griffin is viable in England.

For gun-defenders, there is Gun Owners of America run by Bill Richardson out of Virginia.

For Nationalists, Richard Barrett runs Crosstar out of Mississippi.

For Morris-Dees foes, there is a think-tank operated by Louis Andrews out of Georgia.

For Klan-enthusiasts, there is Thom Robb with a church in Arkansas.

For segregationists, there is a book club circulated by Phil Kent out of Georgia.

And, this is just a partial list.

apollonian said...

Fact Remains, Hal Turner, Even For All His Faults, Did Much Good
(Apollonian, 20 Aug 09)

"Lars," u babble and u post crap, but u continue to FAIL to conclude in satisfactory manner.

My pt. is and remains: Hal Turner may have worked for FBI and taken all that money--BUT HE STILL gave out excellent info and analyzed quite astutely--he still did a lot of good, overall. So Hal Turner overall did well enough--despite some negative things like associating with FBI puke. Hal Turner did far more than u, "Lars."

And yes, it sure seems all the people with websites end up working for Jews--with only a few exceptions (like GentileAlliance.com).

But "Lars," u really are NO HELP; u're just a babbling, ignorant fool who knows or says very little of any real use. U can't seem to figure out problem is basically same as old Christian vs. Jew, pure and simple, TRUTH vs. Jew lies and conspiracy, as Gosp. JOHN.

Of course most people can't figure out what Christianity is really about anyway, the stupid, ignorant scum--so now they're just going to die like inferiors and weaklings are wont to do--it's all they're good for.

And I told u idiots about BNP (see above entries). So then, what's now going to happen?

Well, we're in for a great de-population; people are just going to die off. Thus Jews will stay on top of a dying empire (ZOG-Mammon empire-of-lies) until Jews start to fight against other Jews when maybe (if we're lucky) they'll destroy one another. If there are humans left, then maybe civilization can be started once again. The outlook is bleak, and "Lars," U ARE NO HELP, just another ignorant fool with no solution but for the same old stupid platitudes--that's why I say, even for all his faults, Hal Turner was FAR better than u, "Lars," doing white folk far more good than u and other weaklings and morons who can barely spell.

CONCLUSION: I see little hope for the present as too many people are too fixated on stupidity--they just have to die off, and that's a bleak prospect not pleasant to think about. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

LARS said...

THE FOLLOWING IS AN UPDATED POST WITH DIRECT LINKS TO PROVE THE TRUTH ABOUT DAVID DUKE, DON, DEREK AND CHLOE BLACH:
don black was shot burglarizing the office of j.d. stoner for the nazi party by jerry ray, the brother of james earl ray.
notice black pulled a gun on ray,
READ THIS:
GABRIEL: J.B. Stoner represented you when you shot that gentleman from the Nazi party if I recall. Care to critique his courtroom abilities?
JERRY RAY: [LAUGHTER]
" So, I flew down.
Stoner called me up and I went back down to Savannah. Then, when I got in that shooting thing, when Don Black, the Nazi guy, belonged to the Nazi Party … tried to burglarize the place and I shot him.
Then, I had to go to trial and of course I got acquitted, you know. And because the guy pulled a gun on me. And the jury was only out an hour and they came back and the first thing they said was, “ Not guilty. ”

DID YOU GET THAT?
DON BLACK IS A GUN TOTING NAZI THUG AND HE DOESN'T GIVE A DAMNED ABOUT AMERICA!

black later was arrested and spent time in prison for attempting to smuggle a boatload of illegal weapons to invade the island of "domenica."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Dog

david duke lied to his followers and raised millions of dollars but failed to pay taxes on any of it. instead using it to pay ganbling debts in vegas. he pleaded guilty to tax fraud voluntarily and went to prison.

david duke has spent untold amounts of donations for plastic surgery. why? maybe he enjoys the austrian jetsetting lifestyle.

mrs. david duke, NOW chloe black the wife of Duke's main nazi party supporter don black, has made millions of dolars from black's website stormfront, but recently she was caught using some of the money for the CUBAN group FANJUL BROTHERS, to build SCHOOLS for disadvantaged black and hispanic kids!
http://gawker.com/5030301/socialites-nazi-publicist-called-sellout-by-fellow-racists

chloe (duke) black's involvement with the cuban criminal enterprise raises questions about the connection to the communist regime in cuba!

derek black, son of don black actually won a seat in palm beach florida but the nazi derek black REFUSES to sign a loyalty oath to the Constitution of the United States! david duke uses his follower's donations to support these nazi scum who openly despise america.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Black_(white_nationalist)#cite_note-nytpbc-19

NOW WHY WOULD ANYONE REFUSE TO SIGN A LOYALTY OATH TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

HERE, HE TELLS AN ITALIAN REPORTER THAT STORMFRONT IS THE NEW KKK:
Mario Calabresi (2008-10-29). ""Fermeremo Barack Obama siamo il nuovo Ku Klux Klan"". la Repubblica. http://www.repubblica.it/2008/10/sezioni/esteri/verso-elezioni-usa-5/nuovo-kkk/nuovo-kkk.html. Retrieved 2008-11-17. Quote from Black: "There is no more time to try to create a third party for the marginalized, we must enter every primary election within the Republican Party to impose our issues in the debate, we must work to create our special interest group, to restore tradition and true white values."

THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE ADMISSION THAT DON BLACK, CHLOE(DUKE) BLACK AND DON BLACK CARE NOTHING ABOUT AMERICA.

alex linder, a reformed jew and self proclaimed former CNN newsman runs a questionable website that looks exactly like don black's website stormfront. linder fought with police and was arrested in knoxville, tn after ignoring clear police lines.

Now, after reading all of the above directly from non-contested news sources, how can anyone imagine actually FOLLOWING these morons into any of their schemes?

is it any wonder the feds actively monitor these shyster's websites?

when white people search for answers we deserve honest legitimate reserach and legal discourse designed to advance our racial causes, we don't need nor deserve secretive entrapment into a spider's web of lies, liars, deciet and criminal undertakings.

when it comes to white supremicist websites and organizations, the caveat emptor is "buyer beware."

4:00 PM

LARS said...

YET MORE INFORMATION ON HOW HAL TURNER ENTRAPPED INNOCENT AMERICANS!
IF YOU STILL HAVE DOUBTS THIS SHOULD CHILL YOU TO THE BONE:

"RIGHT WING BLOGGER TRAINED BY THE F.B.I."
The strange case of blogger Hal Turner may offer the American people an opportunity to better understand the concept of a government controlling its own opposition. Turner is facing federal charges for allegedly making threats against federal judges and state lawmakers, but his case — regardless of its outcome — raises fundamental questions about the state of the nation.

According to the Associated Press report, “Hal Turner worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an ‘agent provocateur’ and was taught by the agency ‘what he could say that wouldn’t be crossing the line,’ defense attorney Michael Orozco said. ‘His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest,’ Orozco said.”

In 2005, the left-wing publication The Nation ran an extended article by Max Blumenthal that recited episodes of Turner’s rants, and endeavored to link him to the rising career of radio talk-show host, Sean Hannity, referring to Turner as “Hannity’s Soul-Mate of Hate.” However, what neither Blumenthal nor Hannity could have suspected in 2005 was what Turner’s attorney now alleges: that at that very moment, Turner was a tool of government agents.

According to the AP report, “Prosecutors have acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations, but the defense has said Turner was not working for the FBI when he allegedly made threats against Connecticut legislators and wrote that three federal judges in Illinois deserved to die.” What Turner’s defense alleges, however, is that the incidents that now serve as the basis of charges against him are not materially different from the actions that he undertook in the employ of the federal government.

Regardless of the outcome of the case against Turner, the American people can learn several valuable lessons. First, it is vital that concerned citizens do not allow zeal or anger over events or issues to move them to speak or act in violation of the law. There are many avenues of legitimate political activity and dissent that do not “cross the line.” Second, people should remember that those who may urge them to act in violation of the law may themselves be agents of law enforcement attempting to “bait” them. Third, succumbing to such “baiting” may lead to personal tragedy and damage the very cause that the beguiled citizen sought to aid.

Any government that can successfully control its opposition is free to manipulate such “opposition” into serving the policies of the State. Concerned citizens of the American Republic are far better served by careful study of the issues and informed and coordinated activity befitting of the heirs of the Founding Fathers that actually advances the restoration of our conservative, constitutional principles of governance and ordered liberty.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/1701

Anonymous said...

Turner was far to quick to allow and use over the top rhetoric. Even Alex Linder doesn't get that steamed. He had a babbling style and was often entertaining but has shown his true colors.

Did the Yankee Jim murder suicide really go down as described or was it just made to look a certain way?

Or did Jim figure out who Hal really was and lose his mind?

Anonymous said...

Hal is out of the can, but not off the hook:
http://www.law.com/newswire/cache/1202433801004.html

Even if he winds up toasting himself, the rat will be getting no toasts from whites.