Tuesday, July 28, 2009

Hal Turner Pleads Not Guilty, Denied Bond In Chicago; Also Claims He Was An Federal Informant Who Help Uncover Plot Against Barack Obama


Accused "hate" blogger Hal Turner appeared in court on July 28th, 2009. He appeared briefly before U.S. Magistrate Martin Ashman to enter a plea of not guilty on Federal charges of threatening the lives of three Chicago-based Federal appeals judges. If convicted, Turner could face a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

Specifically, Turner is accused of calling for appellate judges Frank Easterbrook, William Bauer and Richard Posner to be killed on his now-dormant TurnerRadioNetwork website after they affirmed a lower court decision June 2 to dismiss challenges to Chicago's handgun ban. U.S. District Judge Donald Walter, who was brought in from Louisiana after all Chicago-based Federal judges recused themselves from the case in advance, had previously set October 5th for the trial.

But it was during the bond hearing that Turner's lawyer, Michael Orozco, dropped the bombshell. Orozco claimed that Turner prevented military equipment from being sold on the Internet and even tipped off the U.S. Marshal Service to a threat against President Barack Obama. Orozco also claimed that the FBI told Turner what he could and couldn't say about the incident to avoid prosecution. Judge Ashman was skeptical, sarcastically asking, "So you're saying he's an American hero?".

Assistant U.S. Attorney William Hogan acknowledged that Turner may have had some contact with the FBI as an informant but that it was quite some time ago. He said he had no idea about any action Turner supposedly took to thwart an attack on the president.

Judge Martin Ashman gave Turner 10 days to subpoena an FBI agent who Turner contends acted as his handler as he supplied the government with information. He also ordered Turner held in custody pending the outcome of an August 10th continuation of the bond hearing. After court, Orozco said that Judge Ashman was correct that he had no independent knowledge of what Turner had told Federal marshals. But he said he would try to subpoena Turner's FBI "handler" for the August 10th hearing. Orozco also added that Turner had stopped taking medicine for an unspecified emotional condition some time ago because he doesn't need it, but could not specify for what reason Turner was taking the medication.

A good Associated Press story summarizing all these events can be found on the KSL Channel 5 website.

Hal Turner had previously denied any relationship with the Federal government repeatedly and vociferously. However, hackers had posted a copy of an alleged July 2nd, 2007 e-mail from Turner claiming an informant relationship with the Federal government on the Web. This was further discussed in the SPLC's Hatewatch blog on January 11th, 2008. But up until now, Turner had denied the allegations.

It looks like the Feds are throwing Turner under the bus.

Turner has been a controversial figure within the white nationalist community for quite some time now. He put off many by some of his hysteric stories about burying bodies in the Continental Shelf and burying dynamite in earthquake faults in Peru. However, when Turner was first arrested, many were willing to overlook these eccentricities and close ranks behind him simply because of the threat to free speech.

Thus it appears inexplicable that Turner would risk alienating his core constituency by openly admitting to being a Federal informant. Snitches are considered an anathema within the white nationalist community - almost as much as race-mixers. But a visit to the Free-Hal-Turner blog may give us a clue as to why he chose to risk his core constituency on this Hail Mary play. The donation widget indicates that out of a goal of $45,000 in donations, he's received only $1,370 to date.

Consequently, Hal Turner may have decided that he's squeezed all he can out of gullible white nationalists, and can afford to throw us under the bus now in an effort to get out of jail. And predictably, negative WN reaction is already surfacing on the Vanguard News Network Forum and on Stormfront.

What we have to decide now is whether or not we should contribute to an admitted snitch for the sake of defending First Amendment rights. The idea of sending money to a snitch leaves a bad taste in my mouth, though.

47 comments:

LARS said...

Since when is cooperating with the FBI to prevent crime a bad THING?
IF I HAD INFO ABOUT SOMEONE PLANNING TO HARM MY COUNTRY OR MY PRESIDENT I DAMNED SURE WOULD TURN THEM IN!
The issue is FREE SPEECH! PERIOD!
David Duke literally hides somewhere in Europe and he donates thousands of lines of type to fight for THEIR free speech rights, meanwhile in his homeland, citizens are arrested for expressing the exact same opinions he fosters!
In my humble opinion it is make or break time for the so called "WHITE MOVEMENT!"
This nation was founded by white men and women. We can sit at our plastic keyboards and wish for the downfall of our nation or we can unite to fight to keep our nation TOGETHER!
Please ask yourselves, when america falls, where are you going to go? Krig-zyka-stan?
Our home is here! This is our land! Unlike david duke, 99% of us have to STAY here!
It is time all concerned white people unite within a political movement such as the British national Party.
The BNP knows they have no where to go! They have to fight in England!
We must unite and fight within the framework of the Constitution, that was written by white people for white people.
I call for master duke or prince black or any so called WHITE leader to organize an AMERICAN NATIONALIST PARTY based on the BNP!
If we present ourselves as normal, God fearing, hard working, non-violent citizens, then we have a chance!
let us face reality. David Duke is NOT going to lead an armed rebellion in America! NOBODY IS!
The fantasy that suddenly 100 million whites will arise with guns in hand is what doctors call "MAGICAL THINKING!"
Whites have falen to this point because we allowed the OTHERS to control the message.
As an American BNP we can regain control of that message.
Our first goal should be the immediate assistance of Hal Turner! Right or wrong, Hal has done some notable things.
The bottom line he is an america who has served his nation as a Marine. He has the right to express himself. We all do!
Passing information to the Feds to prevent a crazy from obtaining weapons to kill innocent people should be applauded not condemned.
I call on everyone to help Hal financially. He has hired Martin Garbus.
If you don't help Hal, then what are you going to do when the come for you?
Please consider this appeal carefully. As King Solomon once wrote, "iron sharpens iron."
If the "white movement" you associate with is working to overthrow your nation, then mabe ou are hanging out with the WRONG people!

Hooch said...

"""don't listen to stupid "Hooch" Jew, his idiotic advice"""

Apollo, And what was that I told both you and your great leader Hal right here on this blog a few months ago? Did I call him out as a snitch Apollo? To his face? And what was it that he said back? And what was it that you said back?

And do you remember me telling you that you were in the next group to be locked up? That the low level crazies are on the list now? Hal will now roll over on every single person he can think of that has committed a crime.

Fortunately I am a law abiding citizen and NEVER have even wished the death of ANYONE. You may want to take my advice this time and stop acting like I don't know what I am talking about.

I warn you now, you better watch your mouth. They are not playing. I could care less about your death threats to me as I find them amusing but all of these "death to the fed" quotes you put in your messages better stop. Because you DON'T mess with the FED or you WILL go DOWN for reasons completely UNRELATED.

I completely agree with LARS. Smart guy who has his head screwed on straight!

The only thing I am questionable about is bailing out Hal because I am still not convinced that he is not 100% completely working for the government. As a pawn for the government to control free speech!

I do recall on many occasions Hal himself doing a little sneaky fbi tactic of entrapment. Where he would get people all riled up, tell them that they should all rise and overthrow the government, actually say that this person or that person will be taken care of in a death threat manor, act like he was ready to do it himself, and wait for the nut jobs to send him emails of what they are planning.

However, I don't necessarily agree with jumping in and paying his free him fund which is essentially paying the government for services he has been paid by them to preform. Tax payers already paid them for it.

It's kind of like paying the prosecutor to take Bill White to court when they are already getting paid to do so.

I have no problem with the proactive stance the government has taken on getting these crazies through Hal, even though entrapment is unconstitutional and they could use LEGAL ways of getting their info. But I do have a problem with violations of our freedom to have an opinion and speak about it or people being held as political prisoners like Bill White.

Anchorage Activist said...

LARS - Since Hal Turner openly admitted to being an informant, there is no way of knowing how much information he turned over to his handlers. He could have been capturing the IP addresses of everyone who ever commented on his blogs.

And why would you want to turn someone in for going after Barack Obama? Not only does Obama need to be removed, but I'm hoping that our military will have the balls to arrest and remove him, just like the Honduran military arrested and removed the socialist Zelaya. Obama's gonna tank this country, and it would be an act of patriotism to remove him.

vindicated said...

Anchorage Activist is to be congratulated for repudiating Hal Turner. Not a moment too soon. It took a while, but Anchorage was big enough to not insist on some foolish consistency. Running the pic of a rat is the perfect ending to the sordid, twisted and insane journey of the mental-defective Turner. Again, thanks for the astuteness. We just don't need these clowns, crazies and crackpots claiming to be for "us" -- as well as insisting we owe them our cash.

LARS said...

Obama should be removed CONSTITUTIONALLY!
my main point is that we must learn from the BNP and Ghandi.
we have nowhere to run to. we have to make our stand here.
hal may be on the fbi payroll. i don't care. i have commented many times on his blog.
i even commented on his blog that the three judges in Chicago only repeated what the U.S. Supreme Court had ruled in the Heller decision.
In Heller, the Supreme Court buried the real decision in a FOOTNOTE!
The real decision of heller is that the 2nd amendment does not apply to States.
Washington DC is a FEDERAL protectorate. That is why their gun ban was struck down.
I don't think Hal knew that. In fact i don't think anyone realizes that but it is true.
I believe Hal should be helped if possible because Hal expressed his opinion.
Votaire said, "THINK FOR YOURSELVES AND ALLOW OTHERS THE PRIVILEGE TO DO THE SAME."
That was misquoted as "i don't agree with what you say but i will die to protect your right to say it."
As white people we have a majority with US! As the BNP has shown, average white people will stand up as long as we are not attempting destroy our nation.
Average people don't know anything about armed upriisings.
People just want to live their lives.
As the BNP showed, just allow for a legitimate outlet and people will stand up.
This is our home. We must stand as one and take back our birthright. We cannot possibly think that we can convince 100 million people to attack the government.
The government has been turned against white people. Now, leaders such as Duke, Black, white, whomever,should rally us together to stand for what is right.
White people are not cowards, but we must see that we are on the same page.
As Lou Dobbs has shown, white america is ready to stand against the machine. Bill O'reily blasted the SPLC yesterday.
The time is right, but we need to begin our version of the BNP.
Please, "white reference" can be the beginning.
As a political machine we can regain our rights.
As for Hal Turner being a snitch, so what? Who could he tell on? Seriously, who could Hal Turner tell on? Armed psychopaths?
I would hope that anyone who knew someone was planning to start killing people would call the cops.
It is time for ciivilized, knowledgable white people to organize and stand together.
In Honduras the president there was attempting to subvert their Constitution by trying to get another term. The Honduran Supreme Court protected their constitution and said NO!

apollonian said...

Patriots Shouldn't Be Hasty, Jumping To Conclusions--Stick With Hal Turner
(Apollonian, 28 Jul 09)

Hey look AA, u gotta consider: what if Hal Turner is confronted with a situation which he genuinely doesn't like, as citizen and patriot?--why shouldn't he then "inform"?--as long as it doesn't betray the real cause and real patriots. I suspect u're jumping to conclusions, and u ought to let Hal have reasonable chance to explain things.

"Hooch," u're a moron AND a Jew, u idiot--if u say it's dark outside, I know I should wear sun-glasses, never doubt.

And AA, look at all these dip-shits, queers, and punks who hate Hal Turner--that right there ought to tell u something as to how effective and inspiring Turner can be, esp. for real patriots.

CONCLUSION: We patriots actually have a tremendous momentum going, Obama's approval now below 50%--the fastest drop in ratings in history. U should stick w. Hal Turner, I say. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

Anchorage Activist said...

Apollonian - we'll see if Hal Turner's defense team can produce this alleged FBI agent.

But why in the hell would he publicly confess to being an informant, knowing how much of the WN community feels about informants? He's cutting himself off from his core constituency. Look how some people still feel about Glenn Miller 20 years after the fact.

I still hope Turner walks, for the sake of the First Amendment and my own free speech. But there's no way I can in good conscience urge people to send him money.

Stop breathing Hal said...

I hope he receives daily justice, at the end of a shitskins cock. Then again, hard sodemy rape is too good for him, let us hope that someone shanks this traitorous dirtbag.

Looks like it's PC for Hal.

Hooch said...

"""Stop breathing Hal"""

You are a complete lunatic and people like you and Apollo are worthless bags of shit.

I don't like Hal either but.... sodomy, rape, death? Come on man.

apollonian said...

Note The "Buzz-word" Implications For "Informant"
(Apollonian, 29 Jul 09)

"Informant" is interesting word, AA. Note we're all informants in certain ways. Journalists sell info, dealing with info as stock-in-trade--literally. Don't u see the problem?

What if some Jew tried to get u to do something illegal?--wouldn't a good thing be to turning the Jew in?--it's like getting an e-mail fm Jew and "spamming" it.

It would be far different thing if Hal Turner (a) actively looked for partners for any particular activity, and then (b) tried then to instigate some "conspiracy" by which then to extort or to accuse ("informing") collaborators.

So the important thing is judgment for what's necessary to be done. Don't forget basic things, AA. We patriots have a right to defend ourselves fm these Jew and ZOG criminals--which now these scum want to call "terrorism."

And all we're presently trying to do is to overthrow this tyrannic ZOG-Mammon gov.--the task is simply one of info and organization. One must ask what otherwise could possibly be subject to "information"?

So I'll end this by reiterating that if a Jew contacted Hal Turner to conspire in illegal activity, Hal would be well-justified in turning the kike in--which I suspect is exactly what happened.

AA, u're certainly justified in demanding to know fm Hal Turner exactly--or at least generally--what were the details and circumstances to what Turner has admitted to. But u're being hasty in jumping to conclusions otherwise. In the end, Hal Turner is going to keep his fans, regardless, I suspect.

I think Hal Turner put far too much pressure on himself, avoiding doing the basic hard work for grass-roots organization--which requires, in my view, exhorting the real Christians to anti-semitism, esp. in way of demonstrating in front of the "Judeo-Christian" (JC--see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo/ref.) places (practically ANY present establishment church).

CONCLUSION: Otherwise u do good work AA, for ur steady reporting and general analysis for the basic issues. U should only be careful for the possible implications of this buzz-word, "informant," is what I say. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

Anonymous said...

One should note that Hal Turner was very friendly with the National Socialist Movement and buddies with Jeff Schoep. Birds of a feather flock together.

Hooch said...

"""So I'll end this by reiterating that if a Jew contacted Hal Turner to conspire in illegal activity, Hal would be well-justified in turning the kike in--which I suspect is exactly what happened."""

Ahhh Haaaa, so it was Jews that wanted to murder Obama that he turned in. THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT UP FOR US DIPSHIT!

Anonymous said...

These scumbags trying to cover up for Hal are probably feds too. Either that or just idiot wannabes.

It was so obvious that Hal Turner was an informant anyway, how could you guys really be fooled?

Anonymous said...

It doesn't take much for you to turn on your own does it?
Same old shit just a different day...

And A.A., your remark on removing the Pres is a typical stupid dream on your part. I hate to tell you but it would cause such an uprising and A LOT of your buddies would die. I know you like to think some god from the dark ages will appear on his chariot pulled by goats to wipe out anyone that isn't "white" but it ain't happening deary. All it would cause is a riot like we have never seen in our lifetime. You think the one pulled off over that moron Rodney King was bad...it's too bad you clowns don't use your heads for something besides growing hair or a place to put a ball cap.
Ka-rist!

Valkyrie

LARS said...

The future of the Americam "White Movement," should look like this:
http://www.workingmannews.com/

please watch this video by arthur kemp and see what we should be doing: ORGANIZING AS AMERICAN NATIONALIST PARTY!

all of this nonsense about informants and snitches is so much high schoolish crap.

white men we have work to do.

repuke-licans and demon-crats are not going to help us.

we are facing extinction in less than 30 years. lets go, i know there is a leader among us.

AMERICAN NATION PARTY!

Goy said...

I hope hal dies in prison, fuck all this rotten traitorous scum! They deserve death!

Hooch said...

"""Anonymous said...
And A.A., your remark on removing the Pres is a typical stupid dream on your part."""

A.A. I do have to admit. I agree with you most of the time with exception on the PORN thing and this because it is a pipe dream.

"""but I'm hoping that our military will have the balls to arrest and remove him,"""

He has WAY TOO MUCH SUPPORT for that to happen. Yes, his polls are dropping but he is STILL slightly ahead of Bush in his 1st term at the same point.

"""I know you like to think some god from the dark ages will appear on his chariot pulled by goats to wipe out anyone that isn't "white" but it ain't happening deary."""

NOW THAT, IS A FUNNY THOUGHT! LOL

"""All it would cause is a riot like we have never seen in our lifetime."""

AND THIS, is something that I would NEVER worry about. They only represent 13 PERCENT of the population! THEY WILL LOSE IN A GREAT WAY. If all whites were attacked, even those sick liberals who place minorities up on a pedestal above the white race would fight back. Do or DIE, I think they would even make the logical decision.

"""white men we have work to do.
we are facing extinction in less than 30 years. lets go, i know there is a leader among us."""

MORE good advice. You people should open your ears up and listen to Lars. He DOES know what he is talking about.

"""GOY said....I hope hal dies in prison, fuck all this rotten traitorous scum! They deserve death!"""

GOY, just thought I would let you know that you must have accidentally made a typo, I think you meant to write GAY.

And your "deserve death" and "die in prison" comments for someone speaking what they believe is absolutely ridiculous. Your ignorance is apparent to all who read this blog.

Anonymous said...

Hey Lars, David Duke did time for trumped up Federal charges - how much time have you done as a WN targeted by the system. I think a young man named Matthews attempted armed revolution in the 80's. Duke is still here. It takes a mass movement. Dump Turner,he's a nut and a rat.
And Anon Nigger Lover: If Barry is arrested by the military for not being constitutionally qualified to be president then they would only be following their oath - Nigger Riots - bring'm on - I hope you're out front.

Family of Hal Turner said...

My, MY, how quick the climate changes. One thing for sure Anonymous never stops. 100% of his posts are negative, even before this.

Don't think stopping someone from killing OUR President is a bad thing. Anyone with an ounce of sense would do that.
Once again, the only issue is FREE SPEECH, NOTHING ELSE. Some of you just can't seem to grasp that idea.

apollonian said...

[Below-copied fm 21 Jun 09 WhiteReference blog, "Are White Progressives...?" Note "Hooch" Jew wanted "proof" he's definitively outed as Jew. A.]

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apollonian said...
"Hooch" Jew Now Proven Jew With Mathematical Certitude
(Apollonian, 23 Jun 09)

Finally I get a reaction fm that stinking, lying kike, "Hooch" Jew--who is so dumb as to not even be able to read my original, above entry, to which he pretends to respond, explaining kikes are NOT "white" as only some of them have that whitish-colored skin due to their ancestors having mated with scum filthy, low-life Europeans. Most Jews are NOT white--as the Mexican-looking ones u have in Israel, for example, etc.

But I think most interesting is "Hooch" Jew finally and definitively admits he's Jew by means of his rather strange responses given on WhiteReference blog, "Arizona Activist...," for 9 Jun, 5:42 pm.

Thus blogging, the art, is confirmed for its tremendous ability and technique for DIALECTIC by which we wring admissions fm these psychopathic kikes--and observe we do it without "water-boarding."

Note in above-mentioned 5:42 pm admissions/entries by kike "Hooch," his statement,

"I do not slander white people. You know that Jews were emaciated and killed in their concentration camps. [FALSE] That is a fact. [FALSE AGAIN--AND NOTE THE PATHETIC JEW-LIKE REPETITION FOR HIS LAME, HABITUAL LYING.] I agree that it was not even close in numbers as they say it was but regardless, it happened. [JEWS PSYCHOTICALLY IMAGINE IF THEY CONTINUE REPEATING THE LIE, IT MAGICALLY BECOMES TO START BEING TRUE IN GENTILES' MINDS.] However, during EVERY war people die who are considered at the time as the enemy." [OH RIGHT--WHAT "PHILOSOPHY" WE GET FM THE KIKE LIAR.]

Note "Hooch," the kike, says I "know Jews were emaciated and killed...." Amazing--when kike "Hoochie" KNOWS this is precisely what I emphatically deny. There was no nazi program or policy for killing Jews, period, and neither "Hooch" himself, nor anyone gives verifiable evidence or references, the stupid kike--he knows he has none, and he knows I've already shot him down for the stupid false references he's already tried to pass off. All "Hooch" Jew does is continue to lie like a Jew, telling Jew lies.


[---------see part two, below-----A.]

apollonian said...

[------here's part two to above-posted---------A.]

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"Hooch" Jew FIERCELY defends Jews, only admitting 9 out of 10 are "leftists" (pretty "religious" pattern, I'd say) and they lie about holohoax (again, quite "religiously")--oh yes, and he admits Jews monopolize the mass corporate "Jews-media." "Hooch" Jew doesn't want to admit Jews run the key Federal Reserve Bank COUNTERFEITING racket/scam/mechanism--absolutely key to literally EVERYTHING else about this utterly corrupted society.

Interesting thing, again, is "Hooch" Jew repeats these idiotic lies this time in amazing LAME fashion, almost perfunctorily--and this is what confirms he's UN-QUESTIONABLY Jew, not caring anyone (at least here on WhiteReference) knows it.

And by means of this perfunctory, lame Jew lying, "Hooch" Jew seems to acknowledge that now I and a few other fans of WhiteReference know he's Jew--BUT STILL HE LIES LIKE A JEW, as if to spit his obligatory contempt in our gentile faces.

Thus "Hooch" Jew tacitly admits he's Jew--and he knows we whites are on to him--that's why he hasn't been showing up here lately on WhiteReference as if he understands his constancy for continuing to lie like a stinking Jew is no longer so effective and actually counter-productive--due especially to Apollonian persistence.

CONCLUSION: So I consider this tacit self-admission fm "Hooch" Jew to be yet another TRIUMPH for that dogged Apollonian dialectic technique and practice. There's no dialectician as effective, productive, and powerful as mighty Apollonian, surely one of the outstanding heroes of present-day white patriotism. Too bad I can't make any money--but at least I'll be made a saint, for sure. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

6:00 AM

----------above by Ap in response to below-copied---------


Hooch said...
"""the ONLY reason for calling kikes "white" is to introduce confusion among the differing races."""

And the other reason is that their skin color is WHITE dipshit. Therefore it is a group of WHITE people that you don't like.

Why is it so hard for you to admit that you have deep hatred for some WHITE people? What's the big deal?

I too have deep hatred for some whites and they are radical leftists.

4:30 PM

LARS said...

If i offend some of our white brethren i apologize.
I watch the videos from the BNP and I see a workable solution. White people presenting themselves as NORMAL, NON-VIOLENT owners of their nation who are fed up with the ultra leftists devising schemes to dis-inherit us of our nation.

The media, long controled by jews presents whites who resist losing our nation as MONSTERS!

We desperately need a NEW MODEL!

The BNP presents clean cut, normal, educated, hard working brits who are fully racially aware.
In other words, real people like you and me.

No one can watch Arthur Kemp or Nick Griffin and come away with any other impression than these guys are "on to something."

We need NEW leaders. We need new leaders who haven't been stained with the scandal of David Duke, his ex-wife, Don Black and Bill White!

Frankly i have never been a follower of Duke or Black or any "MOVEMENT," because they present themselves as FUGITIVES rather than solid citizens.

We don't have to delve into Duke's admitted guilt of raising $100's of thousands of dollars by deciet.
A simple wikipedia search reveals all one needs to know. Honestly, that is IRRELEVANT and it is old news that should be left to history. The truth doesn't matter. AFTER he voluntarily pleaded guilty to fraud no amount of explaining will alter those facts.

We need a new direction, a new leadership and we need white people to realize that as long as we destroy each other, then the enemy's job is done for him.

We need people with video skills and computer skills to create movies and documentaries.

Don't forget we are where we are today because John Kennedy wrote a book called, "A NATION OF IMMIGRANTS."

The book wasn't published during his lifetime only afterward. The book called for an immediate end to European immigration and the quota system.

After his death his brothers, Bobby and Teddy, backed by Jacob Javits, pushed through the "HART-CUELLER," immigration bill of 1965.

It was that bill that ended white immigration in favor of NON-WHITE immigration.

Did you know that? Its true!

The kennedys were shunned by the Connecticut and Massachussetts elite. Jospeh was determine to have his revenge. To end white america.

Please, we need leaders, not psychopaths. We need to DISAVOW THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT the media and movies present whites who are against losing our nation as. We need educated, well reasoned presenters who are knowledgable of the facts and don't wilt under pressure.

Please stop attacking each other. We need all the white blood we can muster. The clock is ticking!

Honestly, i don't think it can be done. I have already begun educating my children of the realiites of living under the heel of the dictator's boot.

Israel remained enslaved for 400 years. It was very bad for the 12 tribes. May God grant us mercy to avoid a similar fate.

Hooch said...

"""Family of Hal Turner said...
Once again, the only issue is FREE SPEECH, NOTHING ELSE. Some of you just can't seem to grasp that idea."""

I completely grasp free speech and would back Hal and even a liberal over free speech, the difference here is I suspect Hal was working with the FBI continuously, and you think that it was just from time to time on a couple of occasions.

If I am correct than you ARE giving money to the government by paying some legal fund that will get sent to Hal. And the government doesn't need money to resolve an informant issue.

It is government against government, they will pretend like Hal is in a boat load of trouble because he wasn't working with them, they will drag out the so called case, then they will tell CT to let him go with some charges that get NO punishment or probation that doesn't require that he goes so he can slip back in the movement with some predetermined excuse that justifies his narcing.

And then he will be able to do it all over again.

"""Apollo says
Most Jews are NOT white--as the Mexican-looking ones u have in Israel, for example, etc."""

So you go from ALL Jews are not white to MOST now, huh. Here are two pictures of what most Jews look like, and then a pic of what Mexicans look like. Then after you look at the pictures I ask you to pull your head back out of your ass.

Mark Levin
http://www.kgal.com/images/Levin_Big.jpg

Michael Savage
http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/savage.jpg

Now here is your Mexican that you say "most" Jews look like
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/photos/2008/11/07/101944-mug1.jpg

Now shut your fucking pie hole and speak only when you are asked to. Understood bitch?

And everything I said in the quote is true. You are the fool who says he can spot a jew a mile away BUT you think they look like mexicans. Then I post photos of emaciated Jews in Russia and you can't even tell that they are Jews.

We should do a is it a Jew or is it not a Jew test on you Apolo.

"""There was no nazi program or policy for killing Jews, period"""

There was AT LEAST, mass extermination by emaciation. We already covered the fact that if they could not afford to feed them they could let them loose and force them to fend for themselves. I'm sure the "tricky Jew Monster" would find some food somewhere.

""""Hooch" Jew FIERCELY defends Jews,"""

Wrong again, I have told you time and time again, I could care less about Jews, either way. I don't care that there was a "holocaust". I am not saying that I agree with any kind of genocide, but this is not of some great concern to me. People die in war all the time and I don't see exactly why the Jews should be put up on any pedestal over the millions of other people who are dealing with mass genocide that no one gives a fuck about.

Like the Christian niggers in Darfur being killed by those towel heads that you love so much.

I don't care if the Jews exaggerated the holocaust either.

"""only admitting 9 out of 10 are "leftists" """

87% of Jews in the United States are libs. And that is a fact. That means that 13% are conservatives. I LIKE ALL CONSERVATIVES. I hate ALL liberals. My point in saying this is 13% aren't bad people.

And all of you who are so focused on Jews are misguided considering the fact that there are significantly more leftists in this country that are NOT JEW. Afterall, there are only 13 million Jews in the ENTIRE WORLD!. Count the leftists right here in the United States. 150 million or more!

The problem is much deeper than any of you know.

"""Hooch" Jew doesn't want to admit Jews run the key Federal Reserve"""

You sure do lie a lot considering you are supposedly some big Christian. I said I DON'T KNOW. I wouldn't doubt it as they are proven to be highly successful in what they do. Maybe you should take some pointers because they obviously know what they are doing.

Hooch said...

"""Jew seems to acknowledge that now I and a few other fans of WhiteReference know he's Jew"""

Is that right? I think you are lying again Apolo. You are the only dipshit that thinks I am a Jew.

"""Thus "Hooch" Jew tacitly admits he's Jew--and he knows we whites are on to him--that's why he hasn't been showing up here lately on WhiteReference"""

No, "Hooch Jew" actually "works" and sometimes gets too busy to come here. Maybe one day you will get out of the library computer, ride your bike down to your burger flippin job and ask for some more hours so you can stop complaining about always being broke and never having money to support Bill or Hal.

"""There's no dialectician as effective, productive, and powerful as mighty Apollonian"""

Control yourself whore, before I bitch slap you back into place again.

"""Hooch said...
"""the ONLY reason for calling kikes "white" is to introduce confusion among the differing races.""""""

Where did you get that quote from dipshit. Lying again? YOU SAID THAT RETARD.

AND I SAID THIS
And the other reason is that their skin color is WHITE dipshit. Therefore it is a group of WHITE people that you don't like.

Why is it so hard for you to admit that you have deep hatred for some WHITE people? What's the big deal?

I too have deep hatred for some whites and they are radical leftists.


"""LARS SAYS
I watch the videos from the BNP and I see a workable solution. White people presenting themselves as NORMAL, NON-VIOLENT owners of their nation who are fed up with the ultra leftists devising schemes to dis-inherit us of our nation."""

Finally, a person with their head screwed on STRAIGHT!

"""The media, long controled by jews presents whites who resist losing our nation as MONSTERS!"""

And whites that are proud to be white as MONSTERS!


"""It was that bill that ended white immigration in favor of NON-WHITE immigration.

Did you know that? Its true!"""

That I didn't know and it blows my mind.

"""Please, we need leaders, not psychopaths. """

The problem as I explained a few months ago are these psychopaths are deeply embedded in the movement. And the media puts ALL its focus on THEM ONLY. What does the average Joe think of when they hear white supremesist? They think Apolo. They think some dumb redneck living in a trailer park who's live revolves around "hate", beating his bitch, drugs and continual drama.

You are even thrown into that category if you simply say you are proud to be White!

Hooch said...

And you can be sure that if the crazies are outcast, they will still find some somewhere that can satisfy their desire to continue the image they have created.

Every single characteristic that the media has associated with "racists" should be NOT USED.

The average Joe sees the stupid Hitler style salute and you're a "racist".

The high boots and you're a "racist"

The ridiculous arm bands and you're a "racist"

The little old fashioned symbols and you're a "racist".

Say ALL Jews are tricky little monsters, and you're a "racist".

To be honest with you, you would have significant growth if you dropped this Jew garbage. It is a liberal issue, not a Jew issue. It just so happens that most Jews are liberals and that is why they all seem to be monsters.

If you can manage to pull together some beliefs that the average Joe can buy into than you will get much farther. Afterall, who wants to associate themselves with what is perceived to be a bunch of low life trailer trash. (Im not saying there is anything wrong with living in a trailer, I'm simply characterizing what the general public thinks from Jerry Springer shows)

Look man, people are pissed right now. Obama is destroying this country and NOW is the time to get an intelligent group together that the average Joe can feel good about joining. After all.... What's wrong with being proud of being White?

I ended up hanging around here because of Bill White. He lives in my town and I consider myself a friend of his. I originally went to his site to argue with liberals because it had the word socialism in the name. And later found out that there are actually a bunch of intelligent people in the movement, that are radical conservatives just like me! BIG SURPRISE! When I thought I was going after some liberal "trailer trash racists".

"""We need educated, well reasoned presenters who are knowledgable of the facts and don't wilt under pressure."""

Here is where your largest problem will come in. "Knowledgeable about the facts" Convince me that the 13% of Jews that are good conservatives are actually worthless pieces of shit and you will be able to convince anyone. AND I have debated this issue over and over with many people and can't find one logical argument from the other side!

Anonymous said...

Wikipedia - now that's a reliable (Jewish) information source.

Anonymous said...

"Our President" - pu leeze. Who is "Our" ?

Orion said...

I knew it, I knew it!! Even though Turner has admitted to working with the FBI, there are some who come here to make excuses and plead for us to support him.

Really! There's a sucker born every minute, and it's the reason we are losing.

curt maynard said...

Told you so. What's more, I've been telling you for years. Bill White is every bit the snitch that Turner is, as is Alex Linder.

LARS said...

THE TRAITORS WHO SIGNED AWAY AMERICA!
SEE THE TRAITORS AS THEY SIGN AWAY THE COUNTRY!
THIS IS THE ACTUAL PICUTRE OF LYNDON JOHNSON SIGNING THE "HART-CUELLER" IMMIGRATION BILL THAT ENDED EUROPEAN IMMIGRATION IN FAVOR OF NON-WHITE IMMIGRATION.
http://www.workingmannews.com/

Family of Hal Turner said...

I THINK THAT ALL OF YOU SHOULD JUST SIT BACK, AND WAIT FOR THE NEWS FROM " ANONYMOUS" HE SEEMS TO HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL OR INSIDER INFO. NOT ONE OF YOU WAITED FOR THE ENTIRE STORY
AS FAR AS ANCHORAGE'S COMMENT " HAL CUT HIMSELF OFF FROM HIS CORE CONSTITUENCY, WHAT CONSTITUENCY. WHERE HAVE THESE PEOPLE BEEN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING?? TO STUPID TO REALIZE THAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH APPLIES TO ALL, NOT JUST 1 OR 2 PEOPLE. SO SIT BACK, SPOUT GARBAGE, AND SEE HOW LONG YOU WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK IN THE FUTURE

cone-head said...

To "family." Seems that Richard Barrett has won plenty of free-speech cases, 36 by his count, including in US Supreme Court, and he's done it without threatening to kill anybody. So, your point that we have to get Hal Turner off in order to have our own free speech is, frankly, bogus. I know you hate that your loved one is in jail and I am sorry but the "truth hurts," too.

Why not just say, "Look, we want to call for killing people" and leave us out of it. You may win. But, it really is no concern of ours.

Anonymous said...

I think that Hal is delusional and has been from the git go. He steps up and claims he wants to a "leader," but gets no support. Yet, in his own mind, he is "leading" something (kind of like Bill White). But, it's all in his mind.

I suspect that he tried the same thing about being an "FBI informant." He probably tried to be some big-cheese in sending info to the feds, but, in reality, it was all in his mind. When the rest of the story comes out, the feds will probably say didn't want or need him.

The man craves and needs attention. But, he's not going to get it from us, because of the "informant" caper. I would say that medical attention and getting him to take his meds would be his best bet.

The wife complains, where were we when he needed us? We weren't and we won't be. There are support groups for FBI-agents, cops and maybe even snitches. Go to their boards and leave us alone. Kindly!

Family of Hal Turner said...

ANOTHER RELEASE FROM;

THE ANONYMOUS TRIBUNE:

God you are so lucky to have so much knowledge. Maybe all these bloggers should donate to you.

Just where do you get all your information?? Sounds like " from the horses mouth "

Family of Hal Turner said...

WHATS WRONG,

NO MORE " INSIDE REPORTS" FROM

THE ANONYMOUS TRIBUNE ?????????

HE IS SLIPPING

Family of Hal Turner said...

COME ON ANONYMOUS TRIBUNE,

WHAT'S THE MATTER?? DO YOU HAVE TO ASK YOUR TRAINERS WHAT TO SAY?????????

Family of Hal Turner said...

LARS,

THANK YOU FOR AT LEAST BEING OPENMINDED AND REALIZING THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE SIDE OF THE STORY, ESPECIALLY " THE PRESS"

Family of Hal Turner said...

TO WHITE REFERENCE:

GOT TO TELL YOU.

LESS THAN 5 MINUTES, AFTER THE PRESS RELEASE, COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE " YOU CHANGED FLAGS"

TOOK DOWN HAL'S VIDEO, PUT UP A RAT"

YOU SHOULD HAVE PUT UP A SNAKE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???

Family of Hal Turner said...

WOOPS:

THE ANONYMOUS TRIBUNE:

WHERE ARE YOU????

THINK YOU ARE HAUNTING OTHER WEBSITES, " YOU ARE SLIPPING"

Family of Hal Turner said...

GUESS THE ANONYMOUS TRIBUNE IS REALLY HAUNTING ANOTHER WEB SITE.

YOU GOT TO KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THE F.B.I. IS PAYING HIM FOR. " TO INCITE"

LISTEN UP AMERICAN'S, FREEDOM OF SPEECH" TAKE A STAND FOR HAL TURNER, BECAUSE AS I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, IF HE LOSES, YOU LOSE.

Family of Hal Turner said...

YOU KNOW, THIS WEB SITE, WHITR REFERENCE WITHIN LESS THAN 5 MINUTES CHANGED FROM " THE SAVE AHL TURNER VIDEO" TO THE RAT.

THEY SHOULD HAVE CHANGED THEIR CALL SIGN TO A SNAKE. !!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT WHITE REFERENCE REALLY IS

Family of Hal Turner said...

AKE A LOOK AT THE HAL TURNER BLOG SPOT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO A MAN, AN AMERICAN MAN WHEN HE USES HIS FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!!

IT'S ABOUT TIME THAT THIS WHITE AMERICA STANDS UP FOR WHATS RIGHT
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR ????

Hooch said...

Family, you are completely basing your support for Hal with the mindset that he isn't working for the FBI 24/7.

What makes you think that these were just a couple of isolated incidents where he worked for them and that he wasn't feeding every single IP address that came to his site to the FBI?

Honestly, I don't know, but I don't "support" the government or any government employee any more than I have to with my taxes.

If he was a government employee I would suspect that he needs no support because the FBI will tell Connecticut what's up and they will set him free while pretending to harm him in some way or another so he can jump right back into his position with an excuse.

LARS said...

HERE IS WHAT the founding fathers had to say about immigration, THEY SAID:
Alexander Hamilton:
“Prudence requires us to trace the history further and ask what has become of the
nations of savages who exercised this policy, and who now occupies the territory which
they then inhabited? Perhaps a lesson is here taught which ought not to be despised.”
Thomas Jefferson:
“Suppose 20 millions of republican Americans thrown all of a sudden into France, what
would be the condition of that kingdom?” Jefferson asked. “If it would be more turbulent,
less happy, less strong, we may believe that the addition of half a million of foreigners to
our present numbers would produce a similar effect here.”
George Washington:
“except of useful mechanics and some particular descriptions of men or professions.” He
continued: “The policy or advantage of its taking place in a body (I mean the settling of
them in a body) may be much questioned; for by so doing, they retain the language,
habits, and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them.”
Benjamin Franklin:
"Unless the stream of these people can be turned away from their country to other
countries, they will soon outnumber us so that we will not be able to save our language or
our government."
-- Benjamin Franklin
continued below
Then what happened?
In 1965, manny celler, a rabid, insane communist jew forced through a bill called HART-CELLER.
HART-CELLER literally changed America's immigration laws from a national quota system that controlled the racial make-up of America to one based on "FAMILY REUNIFICATION."
That sounds sweet and lovely. To the americans who had been seperated by ww2, korean war and vietnam wat, that sounded all american.
The problem is that "Family Reunification," is code for "ANCHOR BABIES."
One baby just born can then petition for hundreds even thousands of relatives in 3rd world nastions to IMMEDIATELY come to America.
The effects were seen IMMEDIATELY AFTER REAGAN'S AMNESTY! 12 million were given amnesty, but 50 million have been admitted to america since 1986.
Think of that! 50 million have arrived here since 1986!
Do you wonder why all of america's cities are now 100% foreign language speakers?
The ultimate fiasco will culminate around 2035, when white america will be less than 40% of the TOTAL population.
Actually, the date is ib flux because if congress grants another amnesty where 12 to 20 million more will be legalized, then chain migration through "FAMILY REUNIFICATION," will push that date forward to about 2020!
You see, "FAMILY REUNIFICATION," calls for an IMMEDIATE REUNIIFICATION! NO WAITING! IF 1000 PEOPLE CAN SHOW THEY ARE RELATED TO A NEW BORN BABY THEN 1000 PEOPLE ARE GRANTED ACCESS TO AMERICA AND ALL OF THE SOCIAL BENEFITS SHE BESTOWS ON HER CITIZENS!
Meanwhile, the teachers in America are forced to teach white school kids that this is to counter balance WHITE PRIIVILEGE!
They really truly don't know any better.
White people know that something is wrong. But, we as a race have been CONDITIONED AND TRAINED to not complain about our IMMINENT DEMISE!

ordinary said...

It's just been announced over the news that the feds have confirmed, in court, that Hal Turner has been a PAID FBI-informant.

According to the Associated Press, "Prosecutors did acknowledge that Turner has been an FBI informant, paid by the government to spy on radical right-wing organizations. They say he told federal marshals about a man's threat to disrupt a Chicago rally following President Barack Obama's election," in an August 10, 2009 court-appearance, in which Turner was, once again, denied bond for his assassination-appeals.

Come on, people. If this isn't enough to have this bozo, rat, traitor and sell-out roundly condemned (and those who called for supporting him retracting their misstatements), I don't know what else can be said.

Anonymous said...

As one who has drawn special hatred from the "Turner Family" poster (Turner's wife) for disassociating from Turner and condemning him as a snitch, I was going to suggest that the wife be banned from posting any more, given that the feds have admitted, today, in court, that Turner was a paid informant against rightists (that's us). But, then again, I have a hunch that such a disease-carrying, woebegotten con-woman will probably be too shamed to ever show her face around here again (if she even has any shame, which I doubt).

ordinary said...

From Chicago Sun-Times,
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1709218,hal-turner-fbi-judges-081009.article,
"today's revelation that the FBI paid Turner 'tens of thousands of dollars' to work as an informant from 2002 to 2005. Last year, Turner told a U.S. marshal of a threat by someone to lob mortars into Grant Park during Obama’s election celebration."