Saturday, December 06, 2008

How Religious Bigotry In General And Anti-Christian Bigotry In Particular Divides The White Nationalist Community And Hinders Constructive Activism

One of the chronic curses of the white nationalist movement is religious bigotry. While some Christians have expressed bigotry against non-Christians, the worst bigotry by far is that directed against Christians within the WN community.

The reason for this sudden concern is the appearance of an anti-Christian thread on the Vanguard News Network Forum, entitled "How To Defeat Christianity After We Destroy The Jews" (note that Alex Linder is merely referring to the destruction of Jewish political power and domination in historically White nations, and is NOT advocating their physical destruction as a people). Warranting the greater concern is the fact that the thread was not started by one of the forum's few chronic anti-Christian bigots, but instead was begun by the webmaster himself, Alex Linder. While Linder has never been a fan of Christianity, up until now he had primarily taken issue with the Judaization of Christianity, or the abortion commonly referred to as "Judeo-Christianity". Now it appears as if he wants to take it one step further and eradicate Christianity itself.

In fairness to Alex Linder, later in the thread, he explains his objective more succinctly and less sanguinely. In this post, Linder instead takes issue with the doctrine moreso than with its practitioners, and simply advocates confronting Christianity through the power of reason, which is no different than his previous advocacy. That is within the bounds of fair and free discourse and is not to be considered as bigotry.

The problem with this campaign against Christianity is that it may deter White Christians who are becoming racially-sensitized from becoming involved with the Cause. After reading this VNN thread, why would a Christian WN want to contribute to VNN's latest newspaper campaign? This is why mature WN venues such as Stormfront, European Americans United, the Nationalist Coalition, and the National Socialist Movement welcome Christians who are willing to put race ahead of religion. Even the ANSWP is tolerant of Christianity. And of course, most of the Klan organizations are based upon a particular brand of Christianity, most frequently Christian Identity.

Many anti-Christians deride Christians for worshipping what they call a "Jew-on-a-stick" (HARDY-HAR-HAR). This is driven by not only a misunderstanding of Christian doctrine, but by the multiplicity of doctrinal interpretations existant within the Christian community. To clarify this issue, I will address it from the perspective of the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS).

According to LDS doctrine, worship is to be directed towards the Father, who is not of this world and thus has no particularly race or ethnicity, and not towards the Son, who is, by doctrinal definition, half-Jewish. Matthew 6:9 proclaims that people are to worship the Father in the name of the Son. Consequently, scripturally-correct Christians do not worship the "Jew-on-a-stick".

Secondly, by scriptural definition, Jesus Christ is half-Jewish. His mother, Mary, is a Jew; the Bible plainly points this out. His Father is who we refer to as God, or the Heavenly Father, and interacted with Mary in a manner not specifically explained in the Bible in order to provide a mortal tabernacle for Jesus Christ to use while on the earth.

Finally, LDS Christians do not embrace the customary Christian doctrine of an anthromorphic Godhead without body, parts or passions, three-in-one, one-in-three, everywhere and nowhere at the same time. Consequently, we believe that each member of the Godhead is a separate entity, which explains the Biblical scripture proclaiming that we are created in the IMAGE of God. This would imply that God is not an anthromorphic blob, but is shaped like us. LDS Christians also do not embrace the escapist pre-tribulation rapture heresy.

LDS Christians also believe that Adam and Eve were the first sentient humans placed upon the earth, and that they were White. When Cain was cursed, a mark was placed upon him. This mark is believed to be a black skin; consequently, Cain is best described as the first Negro. We do not believe Negroes and Jews were created separately from Whites; instead, we believe the White race to be the original, or foundational human race of the world, and that the other races were derived from the White race.

We believe that the Negro race was preserved through the Great Flood in the person of the Negress named Egyptus, who was the wife of Ham. Their descendants, starting with Canaan, were specifically cursed and denied possession of the Priesthood until 1978. The division between the races was further formalized after the linguistic holocaust at the Tower of Babel, where the languages of the people were confounded, after which the various races and ethnicities fanned out to take possession of their designated lands of inheritance throughout the Eurasian and African landmasses. According to LDS doctrine, only North and South America were exempt from this condition; these continents were to be reserved for people who met special spiritual criteria and who would be led by the Lord to journey there and take possession.

So from the explanation posted above, we have established that the Savior of Christianity is half-Jewish, and, because He is half-Jewish, it is also accurate to say that salvation comes through the Jews. But why should that be a problem for white nationalists? Salvation has nothing to do with this world; it merely affects one's standing in the next world. What counts is how much a white nationalist works toward our racial emancipation in THIS world alone. If a white nationalist shows that he can place religion ahead of race, then he is of value to our Cause regardless of religion (Judaism obviously excepted, since I cannot envision how a self-respecting White could embrace Talmudic Judaism).

When the SHTF, we will not be able to afford religious division; to survive such times, our skin will have to become our religion. The obligation is equally incumbent upon Christians and non-Christians alike; Christians have an equal obligation to be tolerant towards non-Christians. Once we have secured adequate living space, then religious WNs will be able to fan out and form exclusive religious communities if they so desire.

The persistence and virulence of anti-Christian bigotry on the Vanguard News Network Forum warrants enhanced scrutiny of the tiny handful of active perpetrators of such bigotry. Are they genuine WNs, or are they actually deep-cover anti-racists and/or police agents sent to VNN Forum to sow division and cripple VNN's potential by using religion as a weapon against us? During the past year, I've noticed a literal hemorrhaging of proven activists from VNN Forum. Mishko Novosel and Dietrich - departed under less than favorable circumstances. Geoff Beck - voluntarily withdrew. Stan Sikorski - exiled to the Tard Corral. Todd Vanbiber - gone to the Phora. This represents a hell of a lot of talent. They're either silenced or gone - and yet anti-Christian bigots like Paul Drake remain on board.

The Vanguard News Network cannot and will not rise to its natural destiny until it effectively deals with anti-Christian bigotry. You cannot prosper by cutting off an entire pool of prospective talent in advance.

17 comments:

apollonian said...

[Here's essay I just submitted to SpiritWaterBlood Pharisees--I'm going to get to work on more specific response, right away. Alex Linder/VNN works for Jews. A.]



Dire Necessity Of Jew-Expulsion--How To Achieve It?--Christianity--But How To Understand It And Apply It?
(Apollonian, 6 Nov 08)

Well here we have yet another sprawling essay, "A Spoonful Of Treacle...," 4 Dec 08, fm SpiritWaterBlood.com--and I guess the object is to persuade reader that writer of essay is in favor of Christianity--whatever that is, etc., and yes, also favors the white race.

But all that some of these SpiritWaterBlood essays tend to do, I suspect, is just express smug presumption and insinuation. My Christianity is much more to the pt.--specific means to specific end.

For I preach the evermore dire necessity of JEW-EXPULSION (can u grasp that?), the sooner the better. For Jew-expulsion is the very thing most needed by USA. Anything less than total Jew-expulsion is merely slow death and/or torture--I hope u can understand.

Note then such Jew-expulsion is expression of HATRED, well-earned, and of course it will only be made possible by means of minimal sufficient expression of love for what we hold dear, for what we want to defend and protect fm Jew monsters.

Hence we observe first of all Christianity features defense of Truth (Gosp. JOHN 14:6)--hence HONESTY, thus hatred. "Think not I came to bring peace; rather, I come to bring a sword (Gosp. MATT 10:34).

And remember further, Christianity DEFENDS REASON--against Jew insanity, hystericism, obsession, etc. One wonders then how Jew insanity can possibly survive and even thrive--but remember Jews are sublimely organized so collectivistically--they're actually a criminal gang, quite literally.

Topmost masterminds of Judeo-conspiracy (see TheNewAmerican.com for expo/ref. on CFR-Bilderberg conspiracy) operate the COUNTERFEIT mechanism/operation/instrument of US Federal Reserve Bank (Fed)--see RealityZone.com for expo/ref. on Fed fraud.

And thus Jews act as a parasitic-type disease-of-opportunity upon a gentile race which has thrived heretofore due to great and admirable ancestors. But now such gentiles have become HUBRISTIC and corrupt, hence OVER-POPULATED, Jews then the agency by which gentile over-population is reduced, this all in accord w. "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler and socio-biology (see KevinMacDonald.net).

So by golly, I hope above exposition suffices for Christian HATRED and reason, so necessary for desperately needed Jew-expulsion. SpiritWaterBlood.com, u may be having fun in all ur smug self-righteousness--but while u're doing so, don't forget gentile volk continue to lose grievously. USA is now a year into veritable DEPRESSION (economic), I understand, and there's no end in sight. Next steps close-up are hyper-inflation, crash of the dollar, and literal starvation of the people.

CONCLUSION: The other pt. I wanted to make is Alex Linder/VNN (VanguardNewsNetwork.com) is anti-Christ, explicitly and avowed--so how come we see SpiritWaterBlood endorsing Linder/VNN and trumpeting his works, etc.? Further, Linder/VNN is anti-rationalist too, on top of anti-Christianity, this again by his own admission. Thus surely one can see the utility of Linder/VNN for anti-Christ, anti-rationalist Jews--even though Linder/VNN pretends anti-semitism--Linder/VNN basic premises are same as Jew Talmud--subjectivism. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

John Taylor Bowles said...

Alex Linder needs to understand White American History in that the spirit of liberty and independence did not come with the patriots of the American revolution, but from the strong Christian spirit of the Mayflower Pilgrims. Those Pilgrims did not come to the NEW WORLD as merchants, seekers of gold and riches, as male adventurers, or missionaries, but rather as family units who desired to build houses, plants seeds, and to have the freedom to worship the God of the Christian Bible as they so desired. They were men and woman of great courage and determination and sustained themselves spititually from the human heart - love of liberty, and the love of God. They sought a higher order of freedom for which they were willing to pay with their own lives. The Pilgrims regularly attended church with a Christian Bible in one hand and a musket in the other.

apollonian said...

Linder/VNN Works For Jews, Wittingly Or Not
(Apollonian, 6 Dec 08)

Foremost Christian theme is TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 14:6), this against conspiratorial Jew lies (Gosp. JOHN 8:44) and Talmud (Gosp. MARK 7:1-13). Also see RevisionistHistory.org, TruthTellers.org, and Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo.

Hence world suffers fm these sublime liars, frauds, and criminals, Jews, who are thus identified and ISOLATED by means of Christian truth and aesthetic.

Thus obvious Jew strategy is to isolate white folk instead, and to MIS-REPRESENT Christianity, which is now well done by Alex Linder/VNN (VanguardNewsNetwork.com) who EQUATES Christianity with Judaism, thus perpetrating same essential fallacy of "Judeo-Christian" (JC--see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo/ref.) hereticalists who say, for example, that Christ was a Jew, hence a Talmudist.

Note then in largest philosophic terms, pertinent dichotomy is Honesty and Western/Greek OBJECTIVITY vs. Jew/Talmudic subjectivism, subjectivism the basis for all subsequent Jew lies. For lying is just subjectivist assertion substituted for objective fact, truth resting upon objective criterion.

One must also note regarding Linder/VNN, he additionally REJECTS Western objective basis for reality, rather accepting the subjectivistic, hence Judaic/Talmudic.

Hence most pertinent observation regarding Linder/VNN is he mis-represents both Christianity, and then reason too, pretending everything rests for truth upon same Jew premise of subjectivism.

So perhaps Linder/VNN just thinks he's being "clever," but he does the Jews' work as he LEGITIMIZES THEIR SUBJECTIVIST PREMISES, adopting such premise as he pretends to oppose Jews, and again, mis-represents truth to effect it is still essentially consistent with anti-semitism to be so subjectivistic.

Fundamental to Linder/VNN's technique for his mis-representation of Christianity is his refusal to agree upon clear definition of Christianity, and refusing to giving appropriate citations/references. Linder/VNN most often asserts without substantiation, also called "question-begging."

CONCLUSION: Note then Jews will fund Linder/VNN, even if Linder doesn't specifically know he's being so funded. Thus Linder/VNN ends up being at best, mere "character" for patriot cause, pretending he can't figure out basic technique or premises for Jews in their attempted subversion of Western culture, equating Western Culture with their own fatal premise of subjectivism. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

apollonian said...

"Anchorage Activist" Sorely Mis-Informed About Linder/VNN--Urgently Needs Accurate Guidance
(Apollonian, 1 Dec 08)

AA (see WhiteReference.blogspot.com, "Calling All...," 1 Dec 08), u most urgently need to get better/more information on Linder/VNN (VanguardNewsNetwork.com)--HE IS INDUBITABLY ANTI-CHRIST, explicitly so by his own admission, made innumerable times, WITHOUT DOUBT. Further, Linder/VNN is against REASON and objectivity too--these by his own admissions and proclamations.

Believe me, I have affirmed above facts regarding anti-Christianity and anti-reason, and used to post on the VNN blog almost daily, since back in 2004, at least--before I was essentially kicked off and banned, round about end of 2005. Presently Linder/VNN sedulously deletes any posting I might make on VNN.

AA, u should reread my first posting above, at 6:15 pm, consult any of ur sources or comrades who would/will know. Linder/VNN gets money fm Jews, indubitably, to maintain anti-Christ, anti-rationalist "position" as "white nationalist."

Linder/VNN further used to collaborate openly with MORMON homosexual Rich Brooks, formerly of WhiteAlert.com. These are not speculations but confirmed FACTS which I can easily verify and corroborate for u w. ease, by means of copies of msgs sent to me by Rich Brooks.

Note then object of Jews is to sponsor so-called "white nationalists" who preach anti-Christ and anti-rationalism, thus isolating white people AGAINST EVERYONE ELSE--relieving then Jews who are most subject to such ISOLATION against everyone else. Thus Jews are afforded opportunity to muddy the issues, enabled to equate themselves with "white nationalists"--as Linder/VNN.

Linder's/VNN's anti-Christ position is veritably COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE for all/any rationalist whites who might not be Christian--as well as all Christians--obviously, plainly, and logically.

Linder's/VNN's purpose--whether Linder understands it or not--is to subvert the cause of anti-semitic patriotism. Thus my theory has always been Linder/VNN receives significant Jew funds.

CONCLUSION: For whereas rationalists and Christians hold relevant cultural anti-theses as Christian reason and objectivity vs. Jew anti-reason, subjectivism, hystericism, Linder/VNN asserts white irrationalism/subjectivism, equating then with Jews, not to mention Linder also asserting anti-Christianity, as noted. Linder/VNN is gross embarrassment and travesty to patriot and anti-semitic cause.

---------above by Ap in reply to below-copied-------------

Anchorage Activist said...

Apollonian - I don't see Alex Linder as being anti-Christian; he seems to be religious-neutral. He takes particular umbrage at the Jewing of Christianity.

The reason you probably perceive Linder as being anti-Christian is because he allows several prominent anti-Christians like Paul Drake to post on the forum. That's simply an outgrowth of his free speech policy, which no other pro-White forum has. Unfortunately, there have been casualties; two of the better posters, Subrosa and Mishko Novosel, were banned in a fit of pique. I was unhappy about those developments.

This newspaper project is sufficiently worthwhile for people to put their differences aside and support it.
6:56 PM


--------above by "Anchorage Activist" in reply to below by Ap--------------

apollonian said...

Linder/VNN Anti-Christianity Cannot, Must NOT Be Tolerated, Excused, Or Endorsed
(Apollonian, 1 Dec 08)

AA, the problem w. A. Linder/VNN (VanguardNewsNetwork.com) is he's anti-Christ which is inept, and indeed, incompetent and COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE formulation for most RATIONAL anti-thesis to Judeo-conspiracy (see TheNewAmerican.com for expo/ref. on CFR-Bilderberg conspiracy) and ZOG-Mammon oligarchal dictatorship we presently suffer.

White patriots must ally with all/any Christian and gentile patriots, upon minimal premise(s) of reason, to oppose Judeo-conspirators. For such is the most politically competent, promising, and potent manner of opposing otherwise OVERWHELMINGLY strong Judeo-conspirators--WHO RULE, never forget.

We patriots are on DEFENSE, and cannot afford to reject any possible help--this is what I fear u overlook in case of Linder/VNN and his anti-Chrisianity, which anti-Christianity cannot and must not be tolerated.

Note then Linder/VNN not merely opposes but OFFENDS the tremendous preponderance of white and gentile patriots, soldiers, and citizens against ZOG-Mammon Judeo-conspirators by means of anti-Christianity.

For anti-Christ is further offensive to REASON, Linder/VNN explicitly endorsing an emotionalist non-reason and subjectivism AGAINST Human reason in first place, not merely Christianity.

Thus Linder/VNN actually sets up configuration of subjectivist sympathy and common-ground with Jews and their leaders. LINDER/VNN AGREES WITH JEW PREMISE OF SUBJECTIVISM as political/cultural premise.

CONCLUSION: Thus AA, such anti-reason, and not merely anti-Christianity, is premise of Linder/VNN which is most dangerous and counter-productive to White and patriot cause against ZOG-Mammon and Judeo-conspiracy--it cannot be tolerated or endorsed--which I'm sure u don't do deliberately. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
6:15 pm

erichard said...

In my Mormon, but non LDS faith the Jews of Today are not the same racially as the house of Judah described in the Bible.

Many of the Jews of today are from the Gentile Khazar tribe of Russia, not from the original tribes of Israel.

Remember there were 12 tribes, of the same racial stock in the Bible Israel.

So who is true Israel? It is the white race, and always has been the white race.

Christian Identity and other groups also understand this.

Anchorage Activist said...

erichard - that is a useful distinction. The term "Jew" is actually applied to two different types of Jew, neither of who necessarily share biological antecedents.

The Khazari or Askhenazi Jew is the brand causing us the most problems. They are technically Jews by adoption, having descended from the Central Asian Khazar Empire. It is they who are described by Arthur Koestler in his book "The Thirteenth Tribe".

Then there are the Jews who are descended from the Israeli tribe of Judah (from whence the diminutive "Jew" sprang). They are not guiltless, since during the Babylonian captivity, they authored the Babylonian Talmud. And we all know that the Talmud reeks of anti-Gentile invective from cover to cover.

The so-called "Jews" who emigrated to Central America around 600 B.C. were not Jews at all, but of the Israeli tribe of Joseph. This is why the Book of Mormon is referred to as the "stick of Joseph", whilst the Bible is referred to as the "stick of Judah".

The Book of Mormon also documents the journey and existence of the Jaredites in North America beginning shortly after the Great Flood. The Jaredites were White. Consequently, the Book of Ether rebuts the claim that Indians are the First Nations in the Western Hemisphere. Whites were here first.

apollonian said...

Importance Of Clarity, Honesty, And Distinct Definition For Theology: Mormonism IS NOT, CANNOT BE Christian, Period
(Apollonian, 7 Dec 08)

"Mormons" ARE NOT Christian--no matter what they may say or claim. Of course, I don't claim too great a knowledge of the Mormon theology, but they do not follow the New Testament (NT) consecrated by St. Constantine the Great, founder of "Catholic" Church.

Note it's extremely important to understand in most precise possible terms these basic things we're talking about. CHRISTIANITY IS NOT JUST ANYTHING SOMEONE WANTS IT TO BE. And Mormonism is NOT Christianity in any way, form, or manner--regardless what Mormons may claim.

As I understand, Mormons add a lot of stuff to NT--which thus EXCLUDES them fm Christianity. Mormons, for example, pretend Joseph Smith is significant prophet and is equal to Christ, and will judge souls along w. Christ and Moses--this is all most disgusting, outrageous, and hereticalist--which we true Christians ABSOLUTELY REJECT WITH THE GREATEST POSSIBLE CONTEMPT, never doubt.

Mormonism, correct me if I'm wrong (like give ref.s and citations), actually endorses a PERFECTLY "FREE" human will, and holds out the prospect of man becoming God. Mormons hold Christ is not God, but mere brother to Satan--as was brought out during Presidential campaign by Huckabee in reference to Romney.

Note I personally am first and foremost RATIONALIST who endorses NT as an aestheticalistic allegory which dramatizes the great philosophic drama for humanity on earth. Hence I'm sincerest Christian who pt.s out NT is not necessarily literally true--IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.

For it's enough that NT DRAMATIZES most accurately and perfectly the truth of human existence--again, the difficult QUEST FOR TRUTH against Jew liars, criminals, and conspirators.

The philosophic pt. then is (a) that REALITY IS OBJECTIVE (or "God-created," according to Christians), and "truth" is what comports with this objectivity and reality--AGAINST JEW LIES AND subjectivism, foundation of lies.

(b) THERE IS NO PERFECTLY "FREE" human will--the only perfectly free will is God's, that's all. Humans must comport with God's unalterable will.

(c) Since then there is no free will, there could be no "good-evil"--humans are sinners. And our only proper recourse is to act in accord with God's un-alterable will, again.

So it's extremely important to understand EXACTLY WHAT REAL, TRUE CHRISTIANITY REALLY IS: absolute and un-mistakable affirmation of (1) objectivity and (2) DETERMINISM--according to absolute cause-effect, HENCE NO PERFECTLY "FREE" human will, humans always sinners, etc.

Thus inasmuch as Mormons rejects such objectivity and determinism, it is necessarily ANTI-CHRIST--And this is aside fm fact Mormonism is OBVIOUSLY at odds with Christian NT.

Again, I admit I actually know little of Mormonism, having read nothing about it, only seeing a video or two on the subject. But I consider I've seen enough to know Mormonism utterly REJECTS the essential Christian theology of NT, denying Christ is God, and the Trinity (which rejects the Jew God), and affirming a perfectly free will--LIKE JEWS, actually.

I also understand Joseph Smith was a Mason, which well indicates his anti-Christianity and affinity to Jews, esp. in form of subjectivism and hubristic, perfectly "free" human will.

CONCLUSION: Note again, the great significance of Christian aesthetic is its affirmation of GREEK rationalism and Aristotle regarding OBJECTIVE reality, and further then, determinism, also Greek--REJECTION OF PERFECTLY "FREE" human will--hence Pelagian heresy of "good-evil." Christianity is ABSOLUTELY anti-semitic (anti-Talmud, as Gosp. MARK 7:1-13), while Mormonism is anti-Christ, and actually endorses Talmudic principles of subjectivism and perfectly free human will. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian.

erichard said...

WOW appollian, for someone who ADMITS they know very little of Mormonism, you can really rant against it!!

Those anti-Mormon videos you saw are made by professional anti-Mormons selling to professional clergy. They both have LOT$ to gain by these videos.

The truth is: a person can believe the Bible, every word of it-- both Old and New Testaments-- and still be a Mormon. But a person cannot accept the Creeds and be Mormon.

In the Mormon faith, the creeds, developed by Greek philosophers, were added for political purposes to the Bible understanding in defiance of Rev 22:18. They are not correct.

The Mormon faith also has further understanding to better understand the Bible-- but it comes from the same source as the Bible itself: The Word of the Lord to the Prophets of Israel.

In the Creedal Trinity understanding, God is an infinite, immaterial, uncreated, inconceivable being outside of time and space that created all things out of nothing. Jesus is this God and at the same time the finite, begotten human Jesus of Nazareth.

In the Mormon faith, there is just one Jesus, the one in the Bible. He is not something totally different at the same time. He is a being we can conceive of becoming like, because we can read about his life and he was not so different than us.

So how can the finite, begotten Jesus be the Almighty God without being something else at the same time? Because he is united in heart and mind with His eternal Father: a being who is also finite, who also lived on an earth and overcame all things, but is now resurrected and perfect.

And ultimately, God is an INFINITE family union of resurrected, exalted men and women who are finite and in a state of eternal progression.

However, the INFINITE eternal Union itself is not progressing: it eternally has all power, all knowledge, all perfection.

So there is really only ONE God: God is an INFINITE family of perfect beings like ourselves from previous earths.

Those who become Joint Heirs with Christ, such as Abraham and Sarah, will be one with this union and share in its Eternal work and glory. They will be "gods".

Thus the One God is not one personage The three personages in the NT Godhead helps us understand this.

I have tried to express the essence of my Mormon faith. The Book of Mormon does not teach what I have said, but it does teach the path to gain the Gift of the Holy Ghost, which leads to these truths and much, much more truth.

apollonian said...

[Commentary in below-copied text by Apollonian, capped bracketed. A.]



erichard said...

"WOW appollian, for someone who ADMITS they know very little of Mormonism, you can really rant against it!! [NOTE I ADMIT I'VE DONE VERY LITTLE RESEARCH, HAVING READ NOTHING (THAT I REMEMBER, ANYWAY) AND ONLY SEEING A VIDEO OR TWO, BUT WHICH VIDEOS CLAIMED TO BE ACCURATE.]

"Those anti-Mormon videos you saw are made by professional anti-Mormons [THE TRUTH IS U DON'T KNOW THIS, IT JUST BEING UR REACTION, U BEING A PARTISAN IN FAVOR OF MORMONS--I DON'T BLAME U, BUT STILL, FACT IS U DON'T KNOW WHAT U'RE TALKING ABOUT.]

"...selling to professional clergy. They both have LOT$ to gain by these videos. [AGAIN, U DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT VIDEOS I'M TALKING ABOUT, SO UR CONCLUSION IS JUST ABSURD AND UN-FOUNDED.]

"The truth is: a person can believe the Bible, every word of it-- both Old and New Testaments-- and still be a Mormon. But a person cannot accept the Creeds and be Mormon. [A CHRISTIAN FOLLOWS NEW TESTAMENT, PERIOD. OLD TEST. IS MERELY ANCILLARY AND ADVISORY.]

"In the Mormon faith, the creeds, developed by Greek philosophers, were added for political purposes to the Bible understanding in defiance of Rev 22:18. They are not correct. [THIS IS JUST BABBLING BALDERDASH, AND SAYING WHETHER SOMETHING IS "NOT CORRECT" REQUIRES CRITERION WHICH U DON'T GIVE.]

"The Mormon faith also has further understanding to better understand the Bible [THIS PRESUMES NEW TESTAMENT IS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE IN ITSELF--A PROPOSITION WE TRUE CHRISTIANS REJECT WITH GREATEST CONTEMPT.]

"...-- but it comes from the same source as the Bible itself: The Word of the Lord to the Prophets of Israel. [THIS IS JUST UR ASSERTION.]

"In the Creedal Trinity understanding, [U USED SAME WORD, "CREEDAL" IN UR ABOVE TEXT TOO, BUT U DON'T DEFINE IT.]

"...God is an infinite, immaterial, uncreated, inconceivable being outside of time and space that created all things out of nothing. Jesus is this God and at the same time the finite, begotten human Jesus of Nazareth.

"In the Mormon faith, there is just one Jesus, the one in the Bible. He is not something totally different at the same time. He is a being we can conceive of becoming like, because we can read about his life and he was not so different than us.

"So how can the finite, begotten Jesus be the Almighty God without being something else at the same time? Because he is united in heart and mind with His eternal Father: a being who is also finite, who also lived on an earth and overcame all things, but is now resurrected and perfect.

"And ultimately, God is an INFINITE family union of resurrected, exalted men and women who are finite and in a state of eternal progression. [RIGHT--WHAT U'RE SAYING IS HUMANS ARE OR CAN BECOME GOD--SO THE VIDEO I SAW WAS CORRECT AND VERIFIED BY UR OWN TEXT HEREIN. NOTE THIS IS NOT CHRISTIAN: WE SAY HUMANS ARE HUMANS AND NOT GOD; NOR DO THEY BECOME GOD, PERIOD--AND IF U SAY OTHER, THEN U'RE NOT CHRISTIAN, PROPERLY UNDERSTOOD--U'RE ONLY TRYING TO HI-JACK THE NAME.]

"However, the INFINITE eternal Union itself is not progressing: it eternally has all power, all knowledge, all perfection. [THIS IS JUST BABBLING BALDERDASH, MEANING NOTHING.]

"So there is really only ONE God: God is an INFINITE family of perfect beings like ourselves from previous earths. [MORE BALDERDASH--WHICH WE TRUE CHRISTIANS ABSOLUTELY REJECT.]

"Those who become Joint Heirs with Christ, such as Abraham and Sarah, will be one with this union and share in its Eternal work and glory. They will be "gods". [EXACTLY, AS I RECOUNTED FM WHAT VIDEO PRESENTED--AND IT'S ALL NON-CHRISTIAN AND ANTI-CHRIST BALDERDASH.]

"Thus the One God is not one personage The three personages in the NT Godhead helps us understand this.

"I have tried to express the essence of my Mormon faith. [OKAY, THANKS--BUT I MUST SAY, U DON'T DEMONSTRATE THAT BASIC THEOLOGY OF MORMONISM IS DIFFERENT FM WHAT I FIRST DESCRIBED. AND WHAT U DESCRIBE AS MORMONISM IS NOT CHRISTIANITY WHICH HOLDS AN ABSOLUTE SEPARATION BTWN GOD AND MAN. MAN IS NOT GOD, NEVER HAS BEEN, AND NEVER WILL BE.]

"...The Book of Mormon does not teach what I have said, [WELL ARE U LYING, OR WHAT?]

"...but it does teach the path to gain the Gift of the Holy Ghost, which leads to these truths and much, much more truth." [THIS IS JUST BABBLING BALDERDASH. AND ASIDE FM BOOK OF MORMON, U GIVE NO REFERENCES, WHICH IS WHAT WE SURELY MOST NEED.]

4:22 PM

Orion said...

It's the cult of Linder and nothing more. He's as worthless as tits on a boar hog. But like the Hal Turner cult, people keep sending him money to keep him in booze and porn. it's pathetic.

erichard said...

apollonian,

OK, one of your points was fair enough. You win on it. I do not know what videos you watched, and was thinking about all the videos I have heard of.

However, why does a person have to believe the NT AND also believe the creeds to be a true Christian? Why cannot they JUST study and believe the NT?

Do you consider only those who accept your particular version of the NT a Christian?

I propose we allow anyone who claims to believe in the NT and in Christ to be called a Christian if they behave in a Christian manner. We should not demand they believe the NT the way we do.

I am agreeable to this, are you?

apollonian said...

Christianity Has To Be Something--Not Just Anything Anyone Pleases
(Apollonian, 8 Dec 08)

"ERichard," u ask fair question. Note issue is Christian vs. Jew--so what then is "Christian," and what's Jew?

Well Christian has to be New Testament (NT), and Jew is necessarily Talmudist.

Note we true Christians hold NT to be perfectly sufficient, and we contemptuously and EMPHATICALLY reject and repudiate any presumptuous addition like "Book of Mormon."

NT defends TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 8:32 and 14:6), hence the OBJECTIVE reality, hence primacy of God's will over man's; Jew Talmud is ritualist murder and lies, founded in subjectivism, this for purpose of enslavement of gentiles, supposedly command of God to Jews. Jews pretend humans, like Jews, at least Jews themselves, have perfect free will, and hence there's such thing as "good-evil" (Pelagian heresy).

So again, in philosophic terms, conflict is objective vs. subjective. Thus Christians can handle (hence tolerate) non-Christians and rationalists--as long as they're not anti-Christ.

Problem for u, "erichard," is Mormonism is anti-Christ, pretending to a PERFECTLY FREE human will, by which, according to u, man can attain Godliness--this is HUBRIS, according to the Greeks. One thus cannot be Christian if one insists upon this hubris--that man can achieve Godliness and perfectly "free" human will.

"ERichard," something is not true just because u insist (like a Jew) it is true--this is necessary criterion. Again, Christianity has to be something--it can't just be anything anyone wants it to be. U have to face reality--it's only one thing, not merely what u want (subjectivism).

CONCLUSION: Most Christians are willing to presume to toleration as long as someone isn't too intolerable--like too anti-Christ. I don't pretend to be better than fellow Christians, that's for sure. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

erichard said...

hi again apollonian,

I honestly do not understand what you are saying when you talk about "free will". We all have a certain degree of free will, don't we?

You need to present your concerns with NT scriptures and not with non-NT phrases that I have never heard nor considered.

What good does it for you to explain the error of my ways (as you see it) if I have no clear idea of what you are talking about?

Also, have you ever noticed what John 16 says:

12 I have yet MANY THINGS to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you INTO ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Does not this scripture clearly predict that the Lord will bring MANY more truths to his disciples over time through the Spirit of Truth (the Holy Ghost)?

So the NT clearly does not claim to be all that the Lord will teach His people.

Have you ever read the Book of Mormon? I enjoy readingj it, and am edified by it, as much as by the New Testament.

Richard

apollonian said...

Christian New Testament Very Definite Affirmation Of Objectivity--Which Mormon Contradicts
(Apollonian, 9 Dec 08)

"ERichard": Thanks for ur comments. I'd say u ostensibly have excellent pt. regarding ur quotation, but on other hand, common sense indicates we always have to keep thinking. So ur pt. ends as platitude, merely indicating what we should already well know.

"Free will" (vs. determinism) is old philosophic issue, going back to Greeks, and surely even before. There is no perfectly "free" human will--it's logically impossible, given science and cause-effect. But there is irony: though we know future is perfectly determined, REGARDLESS of our will, yet we don't know exactly how future will turn out.

So we must proceed much as if there is free will for practical purposes. For example, that's why, when driving car, I'd consciously guide steering--AS IF "free will" exists.

Pt. is, again, everything happens the way it must, according to perfect chain-process of cause-effect--even if, again, we don't exactly know how this all obtains or will obtain.

Note u need to face facts (at least much as I understand): Mormons and Book of Mormon, so far as I know, wants to CONTRADICT New Testament (NT) which affirms OBJECTIVITY and determinism (anti- and non-free will), meaning no perfectly "free" human will.

For that is basic philosophic dichotomy: White/Christian/Greek/Western OBJECTIVITY vs. Jew/Talmudic/Babylonian subjectivity.

Mormonism wants to de-activate Christian NT, thus objectivity and determinism, hence "free will" issue--and it's why Mormonism is not only NON-Christian, but actually anti-Christ. As I pt'd out, J. Smith was Mason.

CONCLUSION: Of course, I could be wrong--but u'd need to pt. out most definite, substantial reference(s). Thanks much for ur commentary; I hope my expo, above, addressed ur issue sufficiently. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

apollonian said...

Problem Is Jews, Conspiracy, Lies; Solution Is Jew-Expulsion, Hence Christianity
(Apollonian, 10 Dec 08)

This, walking w. upside-down flag may be a good idea (see InCogMan.wordpress.com, "Day of the Flag...," 10 Dec 08)--sure can't hurt. But note NECESSARY SOLUTION to problems must be Jew-expulsion--nothing else will work. Anything short of Jew-expulsion will be mere temporary palliative, at best.

Thus in order to achieve this Jew-expulsion, note nothing less than most honest Christianity and rationalism uniting the gentile people will do. And don't forget Christianity is really easy TO UNDERSTAND if u only make slightest effort--it's DEFENSE, reverence for, upholding, and affirming TRUTH (as Gosp. JOHN 14:6)--that's it, that's all.

And just remember this sort of truth is easiest to understand in contrast to Jew lies and conspiracy--as in Hegelian "dialectic," thesis-antithesis. For if u're not suffering fm Jews in some way, then it's hard to place Christianity in necessary perspective.

Observe then: Christianity HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with child's "good-evil"--which is subjective.

Truly: in order to understand Christianity--and our problems of today--one needs to understand Jews, hence their Talmud (see RevisionistHistory.org, TruthTellers.org, and Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo).

Christianity doesn't require u give up ur reason or that u undertake mumbo-jumbo, or stupid MYSTICISM, or recitations fm any book whatever. Christianity merely reminds the person for that CRITERION of truth: OBJECTIVE reality, otherwise known as "God-created"--this, distinct fm subjectivism whence there is no possible "truth" as (subjective) reality is ANYTHING U WANT IT TO BE.

Christianity is for people who care about truth.

Thus the problem which Christianity seeks to solve is the problem(s) created by Jews and their subjectivistic co-conspirators (see TheNewAmerican.com for expo/ref. on CFR-Bilderberg conspiracy) among gentiles--like "Judeo-Christian" (JC--see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo/ref.) hereticalists who pretend to the lie that "Jesus was a Jew" (hence a Talmudist).

CONCLUSION: Thus it is truly said, beginning of understanding of today's problems is understanding of CONSPIRACY, Jews, and power of lies. Christianity then is the only PRACTICAL thing which has ever worked for human-kind throughout history, as it is only practical thing to ever achieve serious Jew-expulsion--it can be done, good comrades. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

Anonymous said...

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dad24 said...

We are all children of the same mother. How does it feel putting yourselves above all others?

Love is accepting the unacceptable.

You cut yourselves off from the glory of diversity and the kernel of our survival as human Kind.

I am terrified of thee.