Thursday, October 23, 2008

Resisting Denominationalism Within The White Nationalist Movement: Why I "Support" Both Jeff Schoep And Bill White

In a comment appended to my previous post on the National Socialist Movement's upcoming November 8th "rally doubleheader", an individual asked why I was "siding with" both Jeff Schoep (NSM) and then Bill White (ANSWP). This question illustrates just how deeply infested the Cause had become with destructive denominationalism.

It's not a matter of "siding" with anyone. It's about issues. In the case of Jeff Schoep, he and the NSM are engaging in ACTIVISM. One of the missions of this blog is to report and promote responsible ACTIVISM. And since the NSM is engaging in ACTIVISM, this makes their upcoming event NEWSWORTHY. It lets the general public know that there is a visible opposition and resistance to the anti-White multicultural agenda.

In contrast, with the Bill White situation, I am promoting AWARENESS of the Federal assault on free speech. If Bill White can be taken down because of Internet postings being misinterpreted and/or misrepresented as direct threats to members of the public, all of us are at risk. Patrick Grimm's Zionist Watch blog, which posed a physical threat to no one, was taken down twice by Wordpress during a recent two-day period. Other WNs have had their websites taken down as well. The general public needs to know about that as well.

Two separate and equally important issues.

The vast majority of pro-White blogs report on minority-on-White crime, or on Jewish crime. They perform an extremely useful function; they inform Whites that our race is being targeted, and that the system is covering it up. However, these stories are accounts of victimization; what we also need are accounts of empowerment. In other words, we shouldn't limit ourselves merely to telling the world how we are being victimized, but also what we are doing about it.

The WN organizational websites perform this additional mission, but limit themselves to publicizing only their own organizational activities. For example, the NSM only publicizes their own organizational activities. Ditto for the Nationalist Coalition, the National Alliance, etc. This lies within their respective mission profiles, and they should not be expected to do any differently.

Being WN forums, Stormfront and the Vanguard News Network do cover multiple forms of activism, but it depends on whether people choose to post the information or not. Not all activism gets covered on these venues.

Thus there is a market within the blogosphere for those who want to cover different forms of constructive pro-White activism, and White Reference intends to be one of those resources which fills the gap. It does not necessarily represent an endorsement of a particular organization, and those who think differently are Luddites who keep us chained to the past. While the British National Party is elected people to office, who do we have running? Brian Holland, who has no chance, and John Ubele, who's a more viable candidate but who still has an uphill struggle.

What we are currently doing obviously has limitations. Denominationalism promotes these limitations. White nationalists who thank the FBI for arresting another white nationalist for a "political crime" are deeply infected with denominationalism. Isn't it time we changed the way we do business?

16 comments:

Philip Anderson said...

Thank you for your support. The past few days have had quite an effect on all of us, especially those in the ANSWP. We can only hope for the best. Though I don't think hope is going to pull through. Bill is not the first to be railroaded, and I can guarantee he wont be the last. The only thing we can do now is support our commanders family, and continue the organization. They are trying to cut off the head, and watch the body fall. We cannot let them beat us.

I have no quarrel with the NSM. But if they allow Justin Boyer to stay in their ranks I will. He openly bragged and boasted on VNN how he was working with the feds to bring Bill down. No self-respecting white man could ever do such a thing. AS far as im concerned he is another traitor in room 14.

I could probably write 80 pages about the shit talkers, but would it really do any good? Its not worth my time. They can squawk and squeal all they want. When it comes down to it, the men who have their boots in the streets are the true fighters.

Dark times are ahead of us. If you cant take the heat get the fuck out of the kitchen.

Hail Hitler!
Hail Victory!
Hail National Socialism!

Anonymous said...

Why are White Patriots having their blogs and websites closed down when they expose the Jews, the Blacks and the Mexicans in their attempts to destroy White America?

Because the White Man has lost all courage to fight. The White Man is too cheap to hire a lawyer. The White Man is more comfortable playing the victim or being a smartass on the internet.

It is safe, and comfortable being a complainer.. and cry baby.

Anchorage Activist said...

Phil - My pleasure. The ANSWP does what few others do - get out in the street and make it happen. Agitprop is necessary to shock people into awareness.

I have just one recommendation for you. If you have an issue with Justin Boyer, you might want to limit it to Boyer alone and not drag the rest of the NSM into it. The NSM has some good comrades, particularly one up in North Dakota whose name escapes me right now.

You're right about the dark times ahead, particularly if Obama gets elected. All those "kahn-servatives" who washed their hands of us "racists" so they could make nice with the lefties are going to get an unpleasant surprise when the Obamaholics start targeting them.

Like the demonization of the swastika. The neo-kahns went along with the trashing of the swastika, and what happened? Now the Confederate battle flag is being targeted. And if they drive the Confederate flag underground, they'll be going after the Stars and Stripes thereafter. But the neo-kahns will do anything to keep their SUVs and big-screen TVs and to watch their niggerball every Sunday afternoon.

apollonian said...

Informed Activism: Formula For Success, Victory In Cyclic Struggle Against Jew Disease
(Apollonian, 23 Oct 08)

Indeed AA, I agree we urgently need that activism, and what then u, WhiteReference.blogspot.com for example, help to provide is an INFORMED activism--which then itself promotes further INFORMATION.

For we're up against a most powerful CONSPIRACY, indubitably, featuring Jews and their like-minded gentile accomplices of organized criminality, such as CFR-Bilderberg--see TheNewAmerican.com for expo/ref.

And it's all really a CYCLIC process, according to "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler, by which the large human herd/population first expands but then becomes overpopulated, and next must, cyclically again, contract--as in present Western, Spenglerian "decline" whence we observe a parasitic disease-of-opportunity working by means of lies, fraud, and criminality prosecuting oligarchal dictatorship, their primary, practical weapon that of COUNTERFEIT (see RealityZone.com for expo/ref. on US Federal Reserve Bank [Fed] fraud) financing--the mythical "money power."

What happens biologically is humanity produces too many weaklings who suffer HUBRIS--who imagine it's "good" to delude themselves by means of "good-evil" conceit.

For underlying that counterfeiting instrument is the over-populated people's willingness to deceive themselves by means of Pharisaism-moralism/Pelagianist hereticalism--the HUBRISTIC idea humans can create reality in God-like fashion, and for example, achieving "good," founded upon fallacy/delusion of perfectly "free" human will.

The opposite to this Jew-inspired hubristic "good" Pelagianism/Pharisaism (as of Rousseau, Kant, and Eng. Utilitarianism of 18th and 19th cent.s), of course, is TRUTH and especially, HONESTY whence humanity sees it's mere sinful creature of reality which can only manage within necessary limits of determined reality.

Thus for practical purposes we patriots and nationalists want to achieve a CYCLIC RESURGENCE to present Western "decline"--hence cleansing, resuscitating, glorious JEW-EXPULSION, most decisive--as of the epochal St. Constantine the Great, early 4th century.

That's why Bill White is so effective, though still lacking in certain ways: he, so far, continues to fail for this overt, explicit Christian inspiration/epiphany/evocation/analysis. But White is still young, and he could still achieve this necessary Christian inspiration/organization for volk.

And again, remember Christian is mere aesthetic parallel and facet to overall RATIONALIST mentality. There's no "Christian" without the necessary REASON, and that reason then is all Bill White needs.

CONCLUSION: Meantime patriots must simply continue to observe and consider--most actively and productively--and be active in informing and exhorting the people for survival, victory, and decisive Jew-expulsion, once again. Ironic as it seems--as things presently continue to worsen, conditions for popular anti-semitic epiphany improve, especially as we retain this MIGHTY INTERNET and blog-sites like WhiteReference, again. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

Anonymous said...

With all due respect, the suggestion that the Bill White charges are just about "speech" is way off point. White is charged with DOING something, not just SAYING something, namely, engaging in a conspiracy with another (or others) to kill somebody. The CONSPIRACY is the overt act, not just the murder-appeal.

The name or names of the co-conspirators have not been released. Supposedly they are some who White admittedly dealt with (whether feds or just disgruntled patsies, we don't know yet, although it really wouldn't matter).

So, we are not talking about some philosopher theorizing about a murder, but a man, with the words and ability, carrying out his scheme. The fact that the murder did not actually take place is immaterial to a conspiracy-charge.

The case is so overwhelming that White will probably cut a deal. Or, as some (with no small amount of justification) suggest, he might plead insanity. In any event, he will be out of circulation for a good long while, to the relief of many who think it high time -- for us all -- his jig was up.

Orion said...

Yeah yeah, sure. Just like Matt Hale threatened a Federal Judge. We know how that goes.

Feds Feds everywhere. Even on White Reference, it seems.

Orion said...

BTW, when is Halvin Turnerstein going up on Federal charges? He actually threated and advocated violence against government officals. I guess people working for the Fed are immune from making real threats.

apollonian said...

[Editorial commentary by Apollonian in below text capped, bracketed. A.]


Anonymous said...
"With all due respect, the suggestion that the Bill White charges are just about "speech" is way off point. [FALSE, THE ENTIRE PT. IS PRECISELY THAT BILL WHITE PUBLISHED NAME AND ADDRESS OF THE JEW QUEER, HOFFMAN, WHO WAS RIGGED AS JURY-FOREMAN, NO LESS, IN THE MATT HALE CASE. IN CONNECTION NOW, FEDS HAVE FURTHER BRIBED/EXTORTED SOMEONE, EVIDENTLY, IN ADDITION, TO GIVE FALSE TESTIMONY AGAINST BILL WHITE.]

"White is charged with DOING something, [YES, AND IT IS THIS CHARGE WHICH NEEDS SPECIFICATION, WHICH DETAILS NO ONE SEEMS TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT--WHICH RATHER INDICATES WEAKNESS OF FEDS' CASE--THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON IT ALL, EVIDENTLY.]

"...not just SAYING something, namely, engaging in a conspiracy with another (or others) to kill somebody. The CONSPIRACY is the overt act, not just the murder-appeal.

"The name or names of the co-conspirators have not been released. [INDEED NOT, NEITHER FOR ANY OTHER DETAILS.]

"Supposedly they are some who White admittedly [THIS IS IDIOTIC PHRASING--THIS IS ALL "SUPPOSED" BY THE IDIOT WRITER OF THIS POST. NONE OF THESE DETAILS ARE KNOWN OR MADE PUBLIC BY THE BOLSHEVIKI PROSECUTORS.]

"...dealt with (whether feds or just disgruntled patsies, we don't know yet, although it really wouldn't matter). [WHY WOULDN'T IT MATTER, DIPSHIT?--IT MATTERS A GREAT DEAL, I'D SAY.]

"So, we are not talking about some philosopher theorizing about a murder, [HOW ABOUT JUST A CITIZEN WITH RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH?]

"...but a man, with the words and ability, [WHAT WORDS, DIPSHIT?--THAT'S WHOLE PT. SO FAR THERE ARE NO WORDS U CAN PT. TO.]

"...carrying out his scheme. [WHAT "SCHEME"?--U'RE JUST FULL OF SHIT, AND U MERELY DEAL IN UR OWN WISHFUL THINKING FOR ALL THIS IDIOT'S SPECULATION U DO HERE.]

"The fact that the murder did not actually take place is immaterial to a conspiracy-charge. [RIGHT, AND THE SIMPLE FACT IS THERE WAS NO "CONSPIRACY" OR ANYTHING ELSE BUT A CONSPIRACY OF FEDS WHO BRIBED AND EXTORT PATSIES TO GIVE FALSE TESTIMONY AGAINST A CITIZEN.]

"The case is so overwhelming [WHAT PUREST, BRAINLESS BULLSHIT--THERE'S NO CASE AT ALL, SO FAR AS WE OR ANYONE KNOWS--WHAT A STUPID MORON IS THE WRITER OF THIS ENTRY, I SWEAR, WHO GIVES NO REFERENCES, ETC.]

"...that White will probably cut a deal. [NOT AT ALL; PRESENTLY HE'S JUST TRYING TO MAKE BAIL TO BE ENABLED TO ORGANIZE A DEFENSE, ETC.]

"Or, as some (with no small amount of justification) [I'D SAY WRITER OF THIS ENTRY IS THE ONE WITH SCREWS LOOSE, WHO DEALS WITH SHEEREST WISHFUL THINKING.]

"...suggest, he might plead insanity. In any event, he will be out of circulation [U WISH, BUT I DOUBT IT.]

"...for a good long while, to the relief of many who think it high time -- for us all -- his jig was up. [U'RE JUST A JEW SCUM. I HOPE U'RE HAVING FUN, 'CAUSE "WORM WILL TURN," AND UR TURN IS COMING, INDUBITABLY.]
6:26 PM

Anonymous said...

Orion, you would be more elucidating if you would get your facts straight. According to the indictment, Bill White (according to White's own statement) was a "convergence" of "members," so, at the outset, the charge does not deal with a single individual or mere "speech," but more than one person, in other words, a conspiracy.

The indictment proceeds that White "solicited" an "other person" to "use" "force against the person of Juror A, in violation of the law." The postings by White over the Internet were, again, according to the indictment, "part of the solicitation, inducement, and endeavor to persuade" the yet unnamed person, believed to be Justin Boyer and, possibly others, to "engage in such conduct," further described in the indictment as "the use, attempted use, or threatened use of force."

Of course, the charges have to be proven. The indictment is not "evidence." But, it does no good to just kick the feds (who deserve a good swift one, most of the time), when it is White who needs his a-- kicked for spreading shame and criminality around, where it doesn't belong.

apollonian said...

"Of course, the charges have to be proven. The indictment is not "evidence." But, it does no good to just kick the feds (who deserve a good swift one, most of the time), when it is White who needs his a-- kicked for spreading shame and criminality around, where it doesn't belong." 8:54 AM

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Anti-Bill White Prejudice Veritably, Visibly Insane
(Apollonian, 24 Oct 08)

Observe this incredible blithering idiot, quoted above, who states, at top of paragraph, "charges" must "be proven," then alleges, like the moron he is, in last sentence, "criminality" which he first admits must be "proven," again, yet prejudicially insists White is responsible for, without very proof he first admitted is necessay. Is "anon" at 8:54 am a babbling, brainless freak, or what? Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

John said...

The way I read the indictment, I suspect there is no specific "unnamed person" that he allegedly solicited, and that they're only working with the theory that by some off-chance some anonymous person might mis-use the info to harm(or hurt the feelings of) the jury foreman of what's essentially considered a long ago resolved case under the premise that everyone knows how us "white supremacists" are.

That's without taking into consideration that said juror never should have been seated at this particular trial let alone made head juror, and the fact that he did probably came about fraudulently. He's known to be a gay male with a black partner and who to my understanding had ties to the SPLC. The same SPLC with ties to the OKC bombing and Elohim City with their own informants working alongside the FBIs. There's no way in hell his decision could have been un-biased and rested solely on the facts.

It's hard to claim this isn't an issue about speech when judge Michael Urbanski flat-out told Bill White that it was his own words that "forced" him to deny bond - as if the judges in this case haven't been told to "get him at all costs" just as the FBI and their solicited informants were told. They don't want his website going back up anytime soon, because he'll continue outing them as the "corrupt fucking idiots" that they are right along with the other weasely trash and scum that proffer themselves as the spokesmen or public faces of white activism.

Anonymous said...

Maybe if your were fucked over by Jeff or lied to and backstabbed by Bill you wouldn't think this way. I suggest you join the NSM, and after Jeff has used and discarded you then get back to us.

Anonymous said...

Bill White will soon be nothing more than a drag strip on the underwear of the white Nationalist movement.

Hooch said...

Appollonian, I commend you for your support of Bill. It seems to be very far and few between who will do so. The only thing I could say I disagree with you about is that I don't feel that bill ever had "handlers". I posted in a number of sites in defense of Bill which have rejected my views from publication.

Hal Turner has completely banned my postings.

This is my take on things. Call me a Jew if you wish but I can assure you that I am not!

With all of the Bill White drama that has been circulating lately I thought it would be interesting for people to hear more than one side of the story so I’ll get right into it.

Bill White has the right to say whatever off the wall comment he wants, and that should never be taken away. Physically harming someone is much different than saying something radical that few agree with.

It is my opinion that anyone who feels that the American Constitution should be amended and freedom of speech should be taken away, should leave this great country and live somewhere else where you will have the opportunity to be taken to prison for saying something that is politically incorrect or even outright ignorant.

White’s site has endlessly promoted non-violence in the white supremacy movement and denounced and removed anyone from the party if they committed any illegal act. This outright denouncing of the radical elements of the white supremacist movement has in-turn lead to his ostrization from the movement by many. Evidence of this is presently on almost every white supremacist web site in the country.

White’s first charges that he will have to deal with in Chicago are obstruction of justice for posting a jurors home address in a case against white supremacist, Matt Hale. There is quite a big difference in posting someone’s address to be ridiculed for what he felt was an unjust decision than actually physically harming the person. At no point were any implications made to physically harm the juror. Only a mentally insane individual would take the posting as a hidden message to murder a juror. This is almost identical to the accusations that we have all heard against a musician that their music lyrics made them go and murder someone. The only difference in this case is that no one was physically harmed in any way.

If anything was crystal clear to readers of Whites web site it was that radical off the wall statements were made to draw attention, which accompanied continual condemnation of violence within the movement.

It is unfortunate that the FBI took the site down so this cannot be seen.
Here you can turn back time and see a little of his site.
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
Type in www.overthrow.com

Now lets turn the tables and look at this from another angle. The Roanoke City Treasurer gave Bill Whites home address to white supremacist, Jim Ramm from a simple phone call he gave them. Ramm reported it on his web site answpwatch.blogspot.com and linked to it from his web site www.zogsnightmare.com.
Ramms answpwatch web site was full of people who wanted to murder White for his acts against them. They even threatened that they will be “paying him a visit”.

Evelyn Powers of the Roanoke City Treasurers office responded to questioning of why this information would be given to Ramm and whether their policies of doing so should be changed. Powers says “the City Treasurer does not give out personal information.” And “Real Estate is not confidential and is a matter of public record”.

In response to Powers authoritive statement, no where in the US Constitution does it say that city governments HAVE to give out peoples personal home addresses as public information. It is clear to anyone that a non confidential “matter of public record” is a city rule that was made and not a law as she intends it to appear.

The same day of Powers questioning, all of Jim Ramms answpwatch blog comments were removed. Two days following the entire site was removed by the Google owned company, Blogger.com. Ramm also removed the link to it from his zogsnightmare site.

Just a snippit of proof remains here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=roanoke+city+treasurer%2C+bill+white&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

This entire drama was likely created by the FBI in an attempt to clear the path for Obama, not allowing Whites recent magazine to be published. The magazine has the title, Kill this Nigger and just below it it says The Obama Assassination Myth.

Inside the magazine it talks about it being nothing more than a myth drummed up by the Obama campaign that the white supremacists want to kill him.

You can see it here:
http://www.nwnsm.org/images/nationalsocialist0808-0908_mini.pdf
And the final page here:
http://www.nwnsm.org/images/hales_jewror.pdf

This is also quite possibly a diversionary tactic to take the eye off the recent independent review of Massachusetts state homeland security funding. They shamelessly got caught with a list of over 50 peaceful protestors that they were watching in Massachusetts. People who had absolutely no links to any form of terrorism. Bill White was on that list and he doesn’t even live in Massachusetts. This leads to the question of where the tens of thousands in surveillance dollars of White actually went.

Hooch said...

Some of you may feel this press release is old news. In fact it is not to the general public and a generalization of the story and proper positioning is required and helpful to the White trial to come.

It is way past time to stop the bullshit and start backing freedom of speech, whether you like Bill or not, otherwise, when you are on the feds chopping block, you will be taken as a permentant political prisioner as well. I can assure you that living with a bunch of guys is not as glamerous as you may have thought it to be.

Anonymous said...

Anderson you have no support so your thanking nobody. Just look what happened to Drake when he said the same shit on VNN:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=82115

Nobody responded!